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  1. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    1. See, I addressed the verse directly (#362), I didn't sidestep it--that is, I absolutely affirm 1 John 5:11, AND I believe other verses regarding the issue (eg, Galatians 6:6-10). I studied and asked God about how to reconcile the teachings, so that I would hold BOTH verses of Scripture, not...
  2. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    I've already responded to this. If you have a response, you can share it.
  3. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    To be clear, I'm not saying either of you do not have God, or that you're going to hell, or that you pose a threat of anyone going to hell (if they listen to your beliefs), only that you are perhaps unknowingly denying some of Scripture (maybe you don't know how it fits in your belief...
  4. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    Right, and, acknowledging you've made that empty allegation, I have asked you to go ahead and furnish a more plausible explanation of the passages I've cited. Everyone is waiting!
  5. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    Again, you're selecting which Scriptures to believe, whereas I'm believing them all--I also believe God has given us eternal life, but that that life is "in the Son", and some do not abide in the Son, where there is no condemnation, but are drawn away by idols/sin and are condemned (Romans 8:1...
  6. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    Again and again, these issues you are raising are things I already agree with--things that are completely beside the point that we are taught, and are to therefore believe, that eternal life is repaid doers of good. Why is there so much drama attached to the issue? I am just telling you what...
  7. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    Just observing what you are doing--running away from doctrine that is inconvenient for your traditions--that's all.
  8. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    How is it in any way a "false accusation" to merely observe what you are doing? Are you one of those people who say men can become women--I just have to refuse to observe what my eyes are telling me? Just go ahead and address the passages I raised, and you can be done with all of this. LOL...
  9. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    You're still unwilling to accept Scripture--you still don't believe it. That's fine. Just say so--just say "My tradition doesn't have any room for that Scriptural doctrine that we are repaid eternal life for doing good."
  10. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    1. This is completely beside the point, another sidestep of the doctrine: life is REPAID those who work what is good. 2. The passage says, "God is at work in you to will and do for His good pleasure", so you have to "obey" (Php 2)--ie, if you want it to say, "God is at work, therefore it's...
  11. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    1. LOL It's not a "demand", nor is it "mine", it's just a logical and reasonable expectation that we would be discussing the same topic in a discussion--the last time I checked, this was a discussion forum--and the fact that you refuse to address those Scriptures says everything we need to know...
  12. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    You have no proof that I am erring in my interpretation of Scripture. More than that, you REFUSE to discuss those Scriptures I raise that disprove your beliefs--instead, you quote some other verses of Scripture. Show how I am misrepresenting the doctrines Paul taught IN THOSE SCRIPTURES I...
  13. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    By saying "All that I am saying is Scriptural", you aren't saying anything other than what I said you were doing: believing in Scripture, yes, but you're believing only your favorite little snippets of Scripture, not the whole. I never denied that what you were saying was Scriptural, just not...
  14. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    So, you're AGREEING with Galatians 6:6-10, that we are repaid eternal life for righteousness, BUT you are only stipulating that "walking by the Spirit" is the method whereby we do those good deeds we are repaid eternal life for doing?
  15. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    No, this is just another example of you believing in just one SNIPPET of Scripture, and not the whole. The same Paul that says you're justified by grace through faith ALSO says you're "condemned" (not "justified") if you sin (Ro 14:23), and only doers of the Law will be justified when God...
  16. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    Actually, you don't know what "Salvation" even is--it's compared to the Jews' salvation from Egypt, but after their salvation, they sinned, so they didn't inherit the promise but died under God's wrath in the wilderness (1 Corinthians 10). Salvation is God getting us out of the slavery we were...
  17. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    Address the verses I cited, which prove eternal life is repaid doers of good, and offer a more plausible interpretation.
  18. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    Lots of talking, still nowhere do you address those verses I raised proving eternal life is repaid doers of good. Try again. Just quote the verses I cited, and offer a better interpretation.
  19. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    Galatians 6 6The one who is taught the word is to share all good things with the one who teaches him. 7Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. 8For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the...
  20. GracePeace

    SALVATION: BY GRACE OR BY WORKS? A FALSE DICHOTOMY

    Romans 6 says eternal life is a gift because slavery to righteousness is a gift--eternal life being a "gift" is only as a RESULT of slavery to righteousness being a gift. THAT SAID, Paul also says "work out your salvation"--the reality is that we are slaves of righteousness, but if we walk...