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    The final harvest?

    Ruling with a rod of iron is peaceful and gentle, and this is what we find in this age of TIME symbolized a thousand years within the confines of faithful saints. It's not future, but present reality for those who are in Christ, faithful saints.
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    The final harvest?

    Hello Randy, good to be back. Two resurrections does indeed pose a problem for Premills since you believe both resurrections are physical. But the Bible is clear there shall be but ONE physical resurrection for ALL the dead in an hour that is coming when the last trumpet sounds. Scripture...
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    The final harvest?

    As I've said I wasn't Amil first as you apparently think you were. I already knew and understood the doctrine of Premillennialism. I really never questioned what I HAD BEEN TAUGHT until I searched and studied the Word of God for myself. That's how I discovered the many contradictions and...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Can you be a little more specific? Which parts of the Bible do you believe I don't believe?
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    The final harvest?

    How do you reconcile the verses that clearly speak of this earth and everything on it shall be burned up with the FACT the earth shall be forever? Premil doesn't reconcile this! The only way this can be reconciled is in understanding the earth that shall be everlasting is not this first earth...
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    The final harvest?

    Putting aside the reason's I believe Satan was bound by the cross and resurrection, could you point to pertinent verses of Scripture that show us this in-between age you believe shall come? I see only two ages in Scripture for this earth, the age from creation to the first advent of Christ, and...
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    The final harvest?

    God will not bring restoration to this world because this world and all that is in it shall be utterly burned up! I agree, the new earth is not yet here. It won't be here until this first heaven and earth passes away, after the spiritual Kingdom of God is complelte. How do you reconcile your...
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    The final harvest?

    As Jeff has pointed out if the restoration is not perfect and I might add permanent it would be a vicious cycle as from the beginning. This world after this so-called restoration would last only as long as preceded by obedience. Just as it was for Israel. There shall never be perfect...
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    The final harvest?

    Yes, Randy I agree. The new earth will be natural. I believe as it was in the beginning when all things were created by God and pronounced "very good." The body of believers returns to earth when we die, but our eternal spirit, as I've already said, returns to God in heaven ALIVE. We won't...
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    One reason why the rapture can not be post-trib

    The Old Covenant prophets foretell of the Messiah who would come to redeem His people. When the promised Messiah came, all that was written concerning Him would be fulfilled. The Day of the Lord, or the time of His coming began with the first advent and will not end until He comes again. You...
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    The final harvest?

    The Kingdom of God is forever! How could it be physically manifested on this earth since this earth is destined to be burned up with everything on it? If the Kingdom of God comes to this earth, then it cannot be unending and forever! This verse speaks of the spiritual Kingdom of God in...
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    The final harvest?

    Randy I am not confused! You seem to be looking or waiting for a material manifestation of the Kingdom of God in this world. We know the Kingdom of God has come and is not observed through natural vision, because the Kingdom of God is not physical, but spiritual. You say the Kingdom of God is...
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    The final harvest?

    Randy, none of this has any bearing on the fact that the Kingdom of God is both near and here since the advent of Christ. We know from Dan 7 that Christ received glory, power, honor and dominion, a Kingdom that shall never be destroyed when He ascended to heaven after His resurrection. Christ...
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    One reason why the rapture can not be post-trib

    Where in Rev 20 are saints referred to as "the dead"? Those martyred saints are not dead! Even after their bodies were killed John says they are alive because before they were martyred they lived and reigned with Christ during time, a thousand years. John writes the rest of the dead will not...
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    One reason why the rapture can not be post-trib

    Why do you ASSUME Zechariah is prophecy of the second coming of Christ? Why would he prophesy of a second coming since Christ had not yet come to earth the first time? Did or did not Christ stand on the Mt of Olives when He came to earth a man? What day of the LORD that cometh is Zechariah...
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    One reason why the rapture can not be post-trib

    According to the narrative, that which is plainly written this prophecy is NOT coming, but is according to the narrative written about things that have already happened during this time "a thousand years". Why do you say what is written "will be fulfilled" instead of accepting that John is...
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    One reason why the rapture can not be post-trib

    Jo 5:28-29 tells us "ALL" that are in the graves will hear His voice and come out in an hour that is coming. John doesn't separate the physically dead in the graves as some who in life were faithful from unbelievers. He simply truthfully tells us that ALL who are physically dead will be...
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    One reason why the rapture can not be post-trib

    What does the passage tell us is happening during this time "a thousand years"? 1. Satan is bound 2. Martyred saints lived and reigned with Christ 3. One must have part in the first resurrection during a thousand years 4. After the thousand years Satan is loosed for a little season Where...
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    One reason why the rapture can not be post-trib

    Please stop making unfounded assumptions regarding Amil doctrine. You've already admitted that you really know very little regarding the doctrine of Amil. If you can, show how Amil "makes up complicated ideas out of the plain text". If you could give an example of this then perhaps myself and...