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  1. Retrobyter

    Scripture interpretation ?

    Shalom, daq. He WASN'T already "in heaven" before He went to the cross! You picked an interesting Scripture verse that is controversial. Here's the Greek in most texts: 13 kai oudeis anabebeeken eis ton ouranon ei mee ho ek tou ouranou katabas, ho huios tou anthroopou. It is also rendered in...
  2. Retrobyter

    The proper and harmonious interpretation of Romans 11:25 [split from another topic]

    Shalom, Rex. Hope you have (had, by the time you read this) a good day at work. SURE, I'm going to deny it! I hadn't even made such a quirky connection before! It's like trying to marry a snake with an aardvark to see what they'd produce! IT CAN'T BE DONE! IT SHOULDN'T BE DONE! Why would...
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    The proper and harmonious interpretation of Romans 11:25 [split from another topic]

    Shalom, ChristRoseFromTheDead. I would like to point back to Romans 11:17-26: Romans 11:17-26 17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18 Boast not against...
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    The proper and harmonious interpretation of Romans 11:25 [split from another topic]

    Shalom, all. LOL! Y'all are too funny! It really is true that "Children ask questions to learn; adults ask questions to prove a point." Oh, that we all might be the "whosoever": Matthew 18:4 4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom...
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    The proper and harmonious interpretation of Romans 11:25 [split from another topic]

    Shalom, Purity. I'm not a generalist. I DON'T believe that everything in Jeremiah has already been fulfilled. There ARE certain portions of the prophecy that look far forward, even to the times that are yet in OUR future. While much of his prophecy was for HIS day - Yirmeyahu's mission was to...
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    The proper and harmonious interpretation of Romans 11:25 [split from another topic]

    Shalom, Purity. You're right! The Gospel WASN'T written in English. It was written first in Hebrew and then translated into the Greek. I would LOVE to dwell together with other brothers and sisters in unity; however, I am not willing to sacrifice truth for the sake of unity. I will NOT...
  7. Retrobyter

    7,000 Year Theory

    Shalom, Chayaal Meshuwchrar. This is a common mistake; so, it's probably not your fault, but the usage of that phrase, tohuw vavohuw, is NOT exclusive to the Creation account, nor does it have to be. The contextual clues within Yirmeyahu's (Jeremiah's) prophecy show us that this is definitely...
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    The proper and harmonious interpretation of Romans 11:25 [split from another topic]

    Shalom, Rex. Well, it's clear to me that you fall into that category of people who say, "My mind's made up; don't bother me with the facts." I will try to reduce the lengths of my posts whenever I can, but I can see that my "stupid lessons in Greek and Hebrew" are just falling on deaf ears...
  9. Retrobyter

    7,000 Year Theory

    Shalom, Chayaal Meshuwchrar. Technically, the phrase is "tohuw vavohuw." The letter in question is a "VET," not a "BET." It doesn't occur at the beginning of the word and it doesn't have the dagesh when given its vowel pointing, and the prefix va-, meaning "and," is attached to the word. And...
  10. Retrobyter

    The proper and harmonious interpretation of Romans 11:25 [split from another topic]

    Shalom, Rex. Would you mind punctuating just a little bit? I can hardly make heads or tails of what you're talking about! If you mean "you are" when you say "your," please use "you're." "Your" is a possessive pronoun and it throws me off. "You're" is the contraction. That said, this is...
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    The proper and harmonious interpretation of Romans 11:25 [split from another topic]

    _____ Shalom, daq. Please learn Hebrew. If you're going to focus on some of the words, like adamah and erets, quit thinking these are some sort of "supernal words" and realize that they have SIMPLE DEFINITIONS that easily carry over into English. Adamah means the DIRT! Erets means the LAND...
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    The proper and harmonious interpretation of Romans 11:25 [split from another topic]

    Shalom, dragonfly. (Sorry, I almost missed this post. It was rather "tucked away" in another.) Absolutely not. I cannot tell the difference, because there IS NO DIFFERENCE! I have to confess that I may have misspoke a little. We're not just "honorary members of Y'hudah"; we ARE members of...
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    Why Should the Church Endure the Great Trib?

    Shalom, Lamad. It seems I've touched a raw nerve! Are you that insecure and so dedicated to the need for some unknown tongue to which you refer as a "heavenly language" that you would totally IGNORE the whole chapter I quoted?! And, I would NEVER speak against the Ruach haQodesh Elohiym (the...
  14. Retrobyter

    The proper and harmonious interpretation of Romans 11:25 [split from another topic]

    Shalom, Rex. You need to pay closer attention to the prophecies and quit thinking you'll get everything you'll ever need in Sunday School! Arnie is not wrong. What you are not understanding is that God gives His people, Isra'elites - even those newly resurrected - a chance to accept Him as the...
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    7,000 Year Theory

    Shalom, Eric E Stahl. Precisely as I see it. I beiieve that the Millennium - the first 1000 years of the Messiah's reign - the time when haSatan is imprisoned - a time that doesn't begin until AFTER the Messiah's return and is yet in the future - is a time that will still see death and...
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    Joel 2:32

    Shalom, Guestman. My words will be added in blue: ____ Shalom, ENOCH2010. It may indeed have God's true name written on it, but it will look like "yod-hei-vav-hei," just as it is written in the hills of Judaea!
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    7,000 Year Theory

    Shalom, Trumpeter. That introduced another small problem: We will still count days and months! Isaiah 66:23 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. KJV
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    7,000 Year Theory

    Shalom, BiggAndyy. One must be careful with carbon-14 dating. Carbon-14 is formed by the bombardment of beta particles on nitrogen-14 in the upper atmosphere. It will then combine with ozone to produce carbon dioxide and oxygen, which is then added to the carbon-12 dioxide and absorbed by...
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    Why Should the Church Endure the Great Trib?

    Shalom, Lamad. This is the part that scares me. I agree with Veteran here. There's no such thing as a "HEAVENLY, GODLY language!" What would be the point? When Yeshua` spoke to Paul from the sky (from "heaven"), He spoke to him in the HEBREW TONGUE, the HEBREW LANGUAGE! (Acts 26:14) My dad...
  20. Retrobyter

    7,000 Year Theory

    Shalom, Trumpeter. There's a bit of a mistake here. The seventh day is a day of rest. Indeed, "Shabbat" ("sabbath") means "Rest." But, that means that the New Creation of the New Earth and the New Sky must be on the EIGHTH day! Eight is considered the number of "new beginnings." Seven is the...