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  1. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    The ability for man to have eternal existence of any kind was never imparted or given to man upon creation. In fact, because A&E chose to partake of the wrong tree first, and not that of the Tree of Life, the opportunity for eternal life was separated from their grasp, when they were booted out...
  2. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Isn't smoke the results of "matter" burning? And is not smoke that same "matter" that is burning, but now in a different form, being the atoms of Carbon? It is scientifically proven that the atoms of Carbon/smoke can and do exist in the infinity of space, but they seek to disperse, and not for...
  3. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Actually, for those who believe that God gave man an eternal soul, it is they who are making God out to be part of His own creation, by Him imparting to them eternal existence, which would be a divine attribute of Himself.
  4. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    And that's the answer! Adam's very first breath, the breath of life, was oxygenated air, nothing more and nothing less. Why is it, for understanding of how we were created, must we put the "religious spin" on it??? It's really very simple, and most all people understand it,.....except those who...
  5. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    In Christianity, there are two prominent schools of thought about the breath of life. They are: 1. Man was given an eternal soul 2. Man became a mortal soul. By those two schools of thought, which ever is to one's liking, they become the ultimate filter(s) of how each of us interpret the Bible...
  6. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Aligning the scriptures with "the breath of life" is not a parallel to God inspiring His thoughts and ways through His use of the limited languages and words of men. What man may mean by his own words, are not necessarily verbatim for what the inspired thoughts and ways of God truly is meaning...
  7. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Of the three verses below, which one is speaking about the breath of life as being an eternal soul? Gen.2[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Gen.6[17] And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood...
  8. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    I can accept that, but ideally before Adam had consciousness, he had to breathe the breath of life, which was oxygenated air. Let's not forget that it was Moses who wrote the book of Genesis approx. 3400 years ago. What did Moses know of the gaseous elements and the atoms of Oxygen, Nitrogen, or...
  9. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    To know what is good, one must also know what is evil. To know what is evil, one must know what is good. They had neither, therefore they were created with innocence. God thought that His work was good, as one would step back taking pleasure in a work well done.
  10. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    As for the creation of Adam, in his body, while laying on the ground unconscious, were all the elements from the earth of His creation, and the millions of "living cells" of all different kinds, were for a short duration alive and well, except for one thing, they required oxygenated air...
  11. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    OK, one issue at a time. Prior to the fall of Adam and Eve, they were neither good or evil. They were completely in the innocence of their own minds, having no understanding of "the knowledge of good and evil". That specific knowledge was not known to them inwardly until after they had partaken...
  12. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Thanks for your reply Pinseeker. Right out of the gate, before I comment on anything of your post, it's important for you to understand my perspective about Genesis 2:7. I am thoroughly convinced that man became a living [mortal] soul, and did not receive a soul of any kind, for an eternal...
  13. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    In summary, the point that matters is Jesus' perspective and emphasis: "Remember Lot's wife". Luke 17:20-37 In the context of Luke 17, the KoG will not be coming with observation, but rather suddenly * shall He appear in His second coming. We, His Saints, are not to be looking around for...
  14. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Actually, there were two conditions for not being consumed by God's fiery inferno upon Sodom. "...look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain;" Honestly, I firmly believe that the eyes of Lot's wife saw the face of God, and therefore was consumed herself, by the consuming fire of...
  15. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    John.20[21] Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. John.14[3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
  16. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Amen! I agree whole heartedly. Especially your last sentence above.
  17. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Hi Jack, do you think that when Jesus returns from Heaven, in flaming fire, taking vengeance on all who do not know God, and who do not obey the gospel of Christ, that they shall be consumed by the fire of God, as was Lot's wife? 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10. And, if it be that same consuming fire of...
  18. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    It was the one warning, if not obeyed, had immediate consequences: "lest thou be consumed". What did the eyes of Lot's wife see? Ans. God the Father Himself, who is a consuming fire, whereby just looking upon Him is immediate death. Exod.33[20] And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there...
  19. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Gen. 19[15] And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city. Instead adding in two additional daughters, making four, could it be that the two only daughters "left...