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  1. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    I know how I hear. 1John.4[8] He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. [16] And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
  2. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    I think we are in a "Grey area". I understand your position, but I am concerned that we both are putting it all on the knife edge of supposition. Because of the inaccuracy of historical data, concerning how many daughters of Lot there were, there isn't much hope for a solid conclusion about the...
  3. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    You bring up a good point. But now I am thinking that there is more here than meets the eye. Gen. 19[15] And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city. Again, and...
  4. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Lot had only two children, both were his daughters. He had no sons, but he did have two "sons-in-law" through marriage by each of his daughters. In the hurry of it all, for Lot and his family to escape, the "sons-in-law" did choose to stay behind by mocking Lot and his warning. Hence the angels...
  5. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    If you want to believe that God is a sadist, keeping the unsaved alive forever to torture them, then continue on. "Torment" Strong's Number - G928 Greek: βασανίζω Transliteration: basanizō Pronunciation: bas-an-id'-zo Definition: From G931; to torture: - pain toil torment toss vex. KJV Usage...
  6. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Actually, I am being very scriptural by His spiritual mind that is within me. Again, please notice the two different thoughts of God in Rev.20[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and [he] shall be tormented...
  7. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Then Matthew 5:29-30 should be taken literally, as it is plainly stated?? I doubt it very much! Lot's wife was a member of Lot's family, who were the only ones who were spared from God's fiery inferno upon Sodom and Gomorrah. She chose to despise her salvation in that moment, by looking back...
  8. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Thank God that the Holy Spirit through Paul used the word "inspiration" and not literation. 2Tim.3[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: Otherwise, there would be alot of Christians with...
  9. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Let's not be myopic or foolish over the scriptures. God is a Spirit, therefore for everything that is tangible and practical in and of this world, His thoughts and ways about it (through His use of our words), is going to come to us with the values of His Eternal and flawless Spiritual meaning...
  10. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    "Remember Lot's wife"
  11. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Well, where is God's Heaven? Past Jupiter, Pluto, or maybe in another galaxy? No, it's right here, in another dimension. I explained what the LoF is. God Himself is an eternal all consuming fire. Therefore, when Jesus does return from Heaven, He will be "in flaming fire, taking vengeance on all...
  12. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    I suppose it does according to our thoughts and our ways. Isaiah 55:8-9. But, according to God, there is no day or night in eternity. Rev.22[5] And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever...
  13. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Actually no. No person, who has died without Christ, can have any form of eternal existence. The first death for them is final. They will have perished without God's Grace for forgiveness of sins. However, the second death is for Christians who have understood God's saving grace through the...
  14. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Read the verse again. You will find that there are two different thoughts. Rev. 14[11] A. And the smoke OF their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: B. and [while they still have breath] they have no rest day nor night*, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark...
  15. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    It's not their torment that is eternal, but rather the smoke of their torment, that is eternal. Hence my posting of the eternal nature of carbon atoms in the infinity of space.
  16. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    I agree! Hell, aka the pit/grave is not eternal. It too will be burned up in the LoF, in the day when Jesus returns in all His Glory from Heaven.
  17. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    And suppose you still believe that all men, wicked and saved, have an eternal soul. (As you had said: "That says you will die not cease to exist."). Sorry, I adhere to John.16[13] Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself...
  18. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    God speaks in the past, present and the future all at the same time. Isaiah 55:8-9. While they are alive, all who take the MoB will be sealed into their fate, never having the opportunity to receive God's forgiveness. All of such, shall be in the lake of fire upon Jesus' Glorious return. Smoke...
  19. Earburner

    What is the Price Jesus Paid?

    Are you saying that the words of our Lord Jesus Christ are a man made theory? Specifically, John.3[18] He that believeth on him is NOT condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned ALREADY, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Romans 8:9
  20. Earburner

    What is the Price Jesus Paid?

    Yes!! Isaiah 55:8-9 [8] For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. [9] For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.