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Dave, This is what I am getting at. He does take us from faith to faith and glory to glory. Yes, He gradually gives us more and more light so that we can surrender more and more, yielding our will to His will. You are right about the Rich Young Ruler, but you have to admit there are some...

I have ministered on the streets and in prisons and in my experience true conversions show fruit immediately. Axehead

Dave, Yes, it is a simple gospel, but it requires our death and then a daily cross, doesn't it? Do you think Jesus was being too hard on the Rich Young Ruler and should have let Him follow Him, anyway? Does Jesus want us to make the Gospel call easier than He made it? Do you think maybe that...

Well, I am sorry about your pain and hope you feel better soon or at least get a more ergonmic chair. I don't think I ever said "perfect obedience to the law in this physical life is needed as proof that one is truly abiding in Christ". Can you show me where I said this? I am trying to see...

Hey there Haz, Hope you are well today. Speaking of physical proof, what do you think the Lord had in mind in these verses when He spoke about fruit? John15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can...

Hi dragonfly, I wanted to acknowledge the wisdom in your post and the peaceful spirit that you bring to the forum and also agree that it probably would be much better if I asked fewer questions within one post. As it is, I did not even get one question answered. Ok, will keep trying to...

Dave, We don't find any conflict between the Lord's words and Paul's. The same Holy Spirit inspired the writers of these words. They are in agreement. Axehead

Dave, You're not helping your cause any by refusing to dialogue and instead talking over and around others on this thread. Your posts are replete with accusations and demonstrate an extreme lack of love. Axehead

We are speaking plainly but let me ask you a series of questions to try to get on some level of understanding with you. Obedience is the only way we can walk in the love that God requires in His law. Do you agree? Does your Bible say that the one that does not keep the Lord's sayings does not...

Yes, he does misunderstand everything. Axehead

Well. let's see now. Demons are fallen angels that once dwelt in the presence of God, so that means they cannot walk by faith, because they have seen God. So, on what basis would they be made righteous, again? How do you save someone that has been in God's presence and turned against Him and...

Preach it, brother!!

Well, too late to edit dragonfly, but the way Jesus and the Gospel are taken advantage of today, my former word may be appropriate. Axehead

Exactly!! Amen!

Just read this thread and really encouraged there are more people that don't see Jesus as our "Heavenly Masseuse". He does not comfort us in our sin, He admonishes and warns. Axehead

dragonfly, People are certainly persecuted by "words" and I understood what you were saying. Satan is referred to as the "Accuser of the Brethren". He doesn't always use Scripture in a perverted way (as only he is able to do), to persecute God's people with "words", many times he just...

Actually, we have a Christ-consciousness and a Christ-consciousness will cause one to realize that there is a cost to following Christ. Nothing is free. Have you read about the Rich Young Ruler. lately? Did Jesus just tell him to "accept" Him or was there a cost? If we were as honest as Jesus...

And then we have the other side of the coin. Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love...

Dave, Yes, you are conformed into His image as you behold Him. How do you behold Him? There is responsibility on our parts, no? Are we conformed into His image without beholding Him? I think from your statement you would say no. Then, could you tell me how you behold Him? You see, I think you...

I understand what Episkopos is saying and I don't feel like my faith is being overthrown at all. I am encouraged by many of his words. I would like to add that many Christians today, through the religious organizations that they are part of are indoctrinated with slogans and a few isolated...