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Hi Dragonfly, Thank you for checking out those scriptures. The Old Testament requirement of tithing is definitely a "paying" situation, not a "giving" one. Even the "Offerings" were required. They were not "offerings" in the sense of a spontaneous desire and decision to impart some of your...

Stan, I am not looking for proof of the Tithe in the Old Covenant. I know it was part of the Mosaic law. I am contesting that you cannot show me in the New Testament that the Mosaic Tithe is still to be followed. Where do the Scriptures teach that the Tithe is an Eternal Law? If You...

We rotate from house to house, weekly. Sometimes its Bobby's house, or Mark's house or Srini's house, etc, etc. We are not incorporated 501c-3 organizations under the United States IRS tax rules so that we get out of paying taxes. We have no such "marriage" with the State. You become a agent of...

Hi Josh, I did not think that was odd at all. Consider the following: The Pharisees were the religionists of their day. Religious people don't think they are blind and don't care for anyone to tell them so. Just read Matthew 23 to hear Jesus' rebuke of them. Axehead

Amen! Same here. We have very little in common with any organization or institution. I only at first suspected that you were like-minded with me Epi and dragonfly and the more you talked the more I realized that we were. The "Local Church" (Witness Lee's) church is big in my city and they...

Stan, that answer doesn't fly. Scripture interprets scripture and there is nothing to back up such blatant Phantom Hermeneutics. At the very minimum, your interpretation seems very "gnostic" to me. Actually, we can only assume they were introduced in the Mosaic laws. There is no way that you or...

Hi Stan, I read post #59. It just demonstrates that you missed my point about Ananias and Sapphira. Did you read post #49? Regarding Abraham and the tithe? The tithe that Abraham made was only a one time event as far as the Scriptures divulge. What else do they divulge about Abraham? God's...

Hi Brother Dave, I'm trying to keep my posts shorter for Stan, but I am going to fail, I think. However, this post will put the false teaching about Abraham and the tithe to rest. According to Stan my posts are not only "long" but also "onerous". I am beginning to understand why they are...

Hi dragonfly, If you don't have enough mammon, just drop a couple of chickens in the offering plate. I wonder if they would take them? Deut 14:24-25 shows that TITHES have nothing to do with MONEY. The OFFERINGS of Malachi are the sacrifices which the NT declares have ended. :-) Axehead

If I am in the middle of the ocean and drowning and someone throws me a life-preserver, it is a cause for great joy. However, it is false joy to just look at it and talk about it and I will soon find out how false that joy is. I have to put it on and hold onto it or it does me NO GOOD. Rom...

I am glad you said that. Firearms, knives, bow and arrows, axes, and SUVs are all amoral but they get blamed for everything. It is the heart of man (and from a Christian view, Satan) where evil comes from. Axehead

Ok, I'll try to keep it a little bit shorter for you, Stan. But, you might have to get used to long posts because a lot of people write long ones, here. In case you did not realize it, Jesus was still living under the OT covenant. That is why He fulfilled the Law. The New Covenant was ratified...

We are a no-name fellowship of Believers, too Epi and Haz. I probably met Epi and Dragonfly around the same time as you Haz, maybe a bit later. I don't think anyone in my fellowship knows anyone in Epi's or dragonfly's. In fact I know it because no one in my fellowship is on ChristianityBoard...

Stan, Did you read post #49? How did you arrive at 10%? For such an important doctrine where is the NT teaching by Jesus and the Apostles on this. The Apostles never told anyone the first 10% of their paycheck was a starting point. In fact, let's look at what Peter thought of Ananias and...

I don't think anyone would stand by and watch something like that happen. They would jump on the perp and try to subdue him or knock him out if they could. Many die trying to protect their loved ones because the perps usually have weapons or plan their attacks when the husband is not home. But...

Yes, by the law of faith. Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Axehead

Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, Axehead

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. The works that we do and the works that last and are eternal are *only* the works that are done by and through the Spirit and not the flesh. They are AUTHORED by the Spirit of God. That comes from abiding in Him...

Hi Episkopos, "Doctrine Mills", is an appropriate description. My first 3 years in the Lord (beginning in 1977) I was not in the system as they were spent on ships and in Israel. When I came back to the States I spent a couple of years in the religious system until the Lord called me out. I too...

Hey there Haz, I am neither in Canada or the UK. I am in Texas. Do you really not understand what dragonfly and Episkopos have been trying to say? I gave you a hint. "I am not a member of any human religious institution." The doctrine that I abide in is the doctrine of Christ. Whosoever...