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You have me pegged as a Universalist Johann however the thing is, I don't peg myself as a Universalist.....Isn't that odd? Ahhhhh, these names/ titles that get bandied around and plastered on ourselves and lobbed onto others is just another trick to short circuit any need for further enquiry. I...

The gift of life is given to all mankind. If it is not wanted, if it is rejected, the promise remains....you shall surely die ie, not die a little bit, not be transformed into a spirit being....no no, 'surely die'. In other words, life will be withdrawn and you will be as if you had never been...

All means All Bruce. Believers are the ones who take advantage. Unbelievers refuse what has been done for them and given to them. God's justice is deliverance. Man's justice is payback, to put it roughly. Paul went to the Gentile communities announcing Salvation IN Jesus. It was good news for...

You said 'if you are saved' Tell me what good news you tell babylonians Ronald?

Roman 3:23-24 'for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus'. Titus 3:7. 'Because of his grace he made us right in his sight and gave us confidence that we will inherit eternal life' There...

Christina, I see Jesus as what Paul describes as 'For all the promises of God are “Yes” in Christ. And so through Him, our “Amen” is spoken to the glory of God'. 2 Cor. 1:20 It shifts how the OT is understood.

Johann, please excuse my forwardness in this little blurb. I am trying to be objective while following this discussion however I conclude you are adept at not answering the questions put to you. My guess is you are snowed in preconceptions and a multitude of words coupled with your academic...

In my view Johann, you have missed the objective. I asked to tell me your understanding of God's Wrath.

Too many words Johann. Be succinct.

Check post #150 addressed to Jack. Herein is my understanding briefly explained.

Roman 1 tells us what God's wrath is in vs 18, vs 24, vs 26, and vs 28....It tells us 'he gave them over'. To what I would ask? Chapter 1:29-32 reveals he gave them over to the consequences of their choices. In other words, insist on choosing to put your hand in fire and it will get burned...

You haven't given me your version of how you understand 'the wrath of God' ....and I would add, you have missed the description of God's wrath made clear in Romans which you have posted.

God/ Jesus will rescue those waiting for him at his return. That is his preventative plan. Those who don't want anything to do with his righteousness will be left to their choice which will result in self destruction. God does not violate them or their choices but leaves them to the inevitable...

how would you define 'the wrath of God' Johann?

I see you haven't understood the God of Jesus....but prefer the God the Hebrews insisted on

No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that Moses who wrote of these events believed God was responsible for everything that happened on Earth both good and bad. All the Hebrews had this understanding. It was an error Jesus corrected by telling us it wasn't God who brought about destruction but the...

It is hell here because we choose badly. The freedom God gives us includes responsibility for our choices. Bad choices result in miserable consequences which includes hating others, hating ourselves, anxiety, depression, lack of security and fear....plus many more.

How do then reconcile John 3:16-17 'For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Do you conclude that if...

ohhhh, has it offended you Johann?

..and so you interpret the Greatest Lover known to Man as one who drowns and burns people if they don't dance to his tune? Do you think there could be another way of understanding/ interpreting what you read? One that is consistent with the character of one who who is prepared to and dies for...