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Hatred of God isn't always openly manifested by unbelievers, but according to scripture we all are at enmity with God until we receive His Son by faith; Its not that He hates us because the opposite is true. However, our natural state is to hate Him though this is revealed more in our actions...

I think that I understand what you're getting at and find it in part true, but what you've said in part "our spirit grasps what our minds can't" is only true with respect to receiving the testimony of Jesus Christ when our spirits have already been made alive by God. Prior to being born again of...

I see the difference, but how did those who existed prior to the beast receive his mark? They obviously didn't, so does this mean that none of them will suffer God's wrath? Of course not. We understand biblically that all men are creatures of wrath until they come to receive Jesus Christ. Its...

Logic is a mathematical science and I know more than a few people with usable brains who have trouble with simple arithmetic, much less logic. I appreciate men like Ravi Zacharias who have well trained minds and are capable of pointing out illogical argument in a discussion, but most people...

I would tend to agree with you, especially with your last statement, which no doubt has a lot to do with the current worldwide crisis surrounding materialism and the consequent downward spiral into depravity. But humanists, do tend to hold to a standard of morality defined by social benefit...

Your explanation of a pre-wrath rapture as opposed to a pre-tribulation rapture aligns somewhat with my understanding, but pre-wrath is a misnomer and lends itself to confusion for the simple reason that the wrath of God, has been, is, and will be revealed from heaven, upon all flesh. The book...

One strategy is as good as another if it works. My thinking is to engage people where they are mentally, emotionally, spiritually, or on whatever level that they can be reached that engages thought more than emotion and gut reaction. Your approach would seem to be along those lines. Its hard to...

I haven't heard this from anyone who believes in a pre-wrath "rapture". Every preacher that I've ever heard speak upon the doctrine has claimed that the church will be removed prior to the great tribulation, and that the "tribulation saints" are all people saved after the church is gone. A...

Sound explanation, but would an unbeliever receive it? The average atheist isn't likely to even believe that Adam and Eve ever existed. Thank you for your participation.

If you talk to people about your faith, you've probably heard the question, "Why is there evil in the world?" I believe that most Christians would at least know the simple answer: "God allowed choice in His creation." Some thoughtful and well trained individuals could probably go into much...

Thank you. Beautifully written, and it would seem quite true. I've heard a few Pastors say that the sweetest words in the scripture are "but God" and those two words certainly are among the most satisfying to my soul. The slain of the earth started with righteous Abel and the witness of God is...

I believe exactly what the scripture says, which is this, at Christ's return, His own are to come with Him. The only way for that to happen is for those who are still alive at His return to be immediately transformed into their glorified bodies, to be made perfect, to rise to greet Him in the...

If this verse were about a "rapture" then it would support the doctrine, but its about the first resurrection and the glorification of our bodies, which is a doctrine that you do find in scripture in more than just one verse. Its a little funny to me, but while reading through some of this...

Christ will come as a thief in the night to those who aren't expecting His return (which is the majority of the planet), but the Church (His body, not some denomination) are to be ready and looking for His appearing. Its really not that complicated if you can accept the idea that most people are...

I'm with you on everything except the explosion of the sun. The sun needn't explode for those events in scripture to occur, though astrophysicists have been predicting the eruption of super flares from the surface of the sun which would have a devastating affect upon our technology. The same...

Belief has nothing to do with truth. Truth is absolute, not relative. What the Lord and Creator of all things has revealed is true. What men come up with on their own is usually fantasy and typically evil: 21. And the Lord smelled a soothing aroma. Then the Lord said in His heart, "I will never...

I'm not suggesting that all people who believe in a pre-trib rapture are racist, what I'm saying is that the doctrine has its origination in racism and fear. I was taught about the rapture by men that I respected and trusted as brothers in Christ, and I believed the doctrine until the Lord...

I'm already pretty much convinced that the pre-trib. "rapture" doctrine grew out of anti-Semitism which was rampant before and after Christ's first appearing. Some people like to argue that the doctrine is a recent creation while others go to writings from "church fathers" in their attempt to...

First, I'd like to apologize for not reading the entire discussion: This particular discussion is one of many such discussions about an imaginary doctrine that fearful and faithless people cling to in desperation, despite the fact that there is absolutely no explicit teaching of such a doctrine...

I wouldn't attempt to disagree with your argument as I agree that there is clearly only one way of salvation (personal) which is by faith in Christ Jesus, but Retrobyter is not wrong to believe what the scripture plainly says in regard to Israel. The promises of God are both certain and...