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    What Should A Person Do If They Miss The Rapture ?

    Shabbat shalom, Son of Man. At whom are you yelling? I said NOTHING about a "rapture!" Oh, and for your information, the saints are NOT "changing ... from flesh and blood to spiritual," because most do not understand the Greek word translated as "spiritual" and think it has to do with...
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    Pre-Wrath Eschatology - a Sequence of Events Analysis

    Shalom, teleiosis (aka Sinner-Saint?) This sound ironically like an analysis made by a poster who called himself "Sinner-Saint" on another board in the past ... right down to the same four beginning points with the same four color patterns! However, it is as the poster who calls himself "Son...
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    What Should A Person Do If They Miss The Rapture ?

    Shalom, all. The question was, "What Should A Person Do If They Miss The Rapture?" Maybe if he or she jumps up and down and flaps his or her arms really hard.... Nah, probably not. LOL! Be extremely careful with what I call "universalisms," particularly those from a dichotomous mindset. Ask...
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    Apostasy and the lie of the tithe

    Shalom, Micha'el. Something else that should also be considered in the mix: What message are the preachers preaching? In the Gospels, Yeshua` initially sent out His "apostoloi" (Greek for "sent ones," transliterated as "apostles") as His heralds to the towns and villages through which He would...
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    New Views on the Rapture

    Shalom, veteran. To your last post where you said, "Because of certain Scriptures like John 14 about the "mansions", and like Rev.7:9 forward, Rev.14, etc., many have been misled to think Christ is coming to gather us to Heaven away from the earth. They are not aware that the heavenly is going...
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    Two In The Field One Is Taken One Is Left

    Shalom, HammerStone. LOL! Yes, I can see us doing a lot of "writing up in heaven after we're raptured away": I will not adamantly adhere to my interpretation of prophecy. I will not adamantly adhere to my interpretation of prophecy. I will not adamantly adhere to my interpretation of...
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    New Views on the Rapture

    Shalom, veteran and rjp. While Darby specifically propagated the pretribulational rapture theory, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater! There SHALL be a rapture. You should know this because the Scriptures are clear about this in both 1 Cor. 15 and 1 Thess. 4. However, this "Rapture" or...
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    Who is Israel?

    Shalom, Saint. Sorry for being AWOL. Had some other more pressing needs to fill. What you say is basically true and right. I would only add that the Jews coming back to Yeshua` is happening right now, as we speak (or type)! Just as it was a gradual thing, taking between 100 and 200 years...
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    How close is the Seven Year Tribulation?

    Shalom, dragonfly. I know that the following post was directed to veteran, but I noticed a few points that I found rather disconcerting. (That means that I feel you are straying from the Scriptures on those points.) Who said that a "remnant" = a "tenth?" That's an assumption you should...
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    Who is Israel?

    Shalom, dragonfly. Sure. They are brass buttons that have two flat, brass tabs extending below the button that can be inserted through the holes in three-hole-punched paper (for instance), and then the flat tabs can be folded away from each other on the other side to bind the pieces of paper...
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    Who is Israel?

    Shalom, dragonfly. Dragonfly ... and everyone else, too ... we absolutely MUST begin to read Scripture, particularly prophecies, with the fourth dimension in mind! Timing is the ONLY way to understand some Scriptures! Not everything recorded in the Holy Bible is meant to be understood as a...
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    Who is Israel?

    Shalom, Axehead and all. Or, one could say it was profoundly simplistic! That is NOT what makes a person "of Isra'el!" If one comes to the conclusion that anyone who "finds God in a personal encounter" or anyone who is "found of God in a personal encounter" is one who is "of Isra'el," then...
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    Who is Israel?

    Shalom, Erudite Celt. Who's to say that "Mileikowsky" isn't Polish for "God's gift?" I don't know Polish; do you? I find it interesting that the ones who bring this up as a "deception" are the Palestinians and Palestinian sympathizers! The Arab world (given over to Islam and the worship of the...
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    no O.T.=====no heaven??

    Shabbat shalom, dragonfly. Yes and no. When Yeshua` said we have "passed from death unto life" in John 5:24, He was saying that it's a "done deal." Our fates are sealed in Him, and we SHALL experience eternal life. Eternal death is escaped. HOWEVER, you and I will never be truly free from the...
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    Receiving The Revelation 16:15 Scripture

    Shalom, veteran. You're neglecting the fact that the general resurrection does NOT occur at the beginning of the Millennium, according to Yochanan (John), but at the END of the Millennium: Revelation 20:1-15 1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and...
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    no O.T.=====no heaven??

    Shalom, dragonfly. Well, the gospel of Yeshua` the Messiah is that same gospel of the Kingdom or good tidings about the Kingdom that has been heralded since Yesha`yahu (Isaiah) wrote it down: Isa. 52:7-10 7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that...
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    How close is the Seven Year Tribulation?

    Shalom, veteran. They STILL expect the Messiah to come as promised. When they see Him come as expected, as prophesied by the prophets in the Tanakh, they WILL accept Him, whether they recognize Him as Yeshua` or not. The real problem is the learning curve: While there are thousands, even tens...
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    Who is Israel?

    Shalom, JLB. I agree; however, you are ASSUMING that when "God became flesh" He remained God rather than the "Son of God." I noticed that YOU stuck in the word "temporarily." How do we know it was temporary? I'd like you to consider a comparison: Do the Catholics believe in the divinity of...
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    Who is Israel?

    Shalom, Saint. Sorry, Bob. I should have picked up on this earlier. No, the word "goyim" in Hebrew does NOT mean unbelievers among the nations; it just means "nations." In comparison to Isra'el, it is usually considered to mean "non-Isra'el," but only when compared to "believers" could it be...
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    Who is Israel?

    Shalom, logabe. One should not neglect that there IS a genetic portion to God's people! They are, after all, His physical family! His mishpachah! He EXPECTS them to continue with genealogies to determine where they will be placed within His Kingdom! (Ezek. 40-48) Shalom, dragonfly. Oh, NO...