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  1. Retrobyter

    What prophesy are we looking for next?

    Shabbat shalom, veteran. I'm sorry; somehow, I've managed to make you misunderstand me. The gospel of the Kingdom comes BEFORE the arrival of the King and His Kingdom. It's the good news ABOUT the arrival of the Kingdom! Yes, I agree with your understanding of Mark 1:15's "at hand." It means...
  2. Retrobyter

    The Last Trumpet is not the seventh Trumpet

    Shalom, teleiosis. What I maintain is that the two trumpets are RELATED. Look carefully at the sixth seal: Revelation 6:12-17 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood...
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    The Last Trumpet is not the seventh Trumpet

    Shalom, veteran. Understandable. And, please forgive me. I'm not used to including the Gentile/Isra'eli factor, but I concur that it is a highly probable scenario. Shalom, JLB. No, neither mixed up nor ignorant. I just use the common generalization of calling all Isra'elim "Jews." Actually...
  4. Retrobyter

    EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM !

    Shalom, veteran. No, brother, I'm not trying to deceive; I'm trying to DIG US BACK OUT OF THE MIRE OF DECEPTION! Let's look at this logically: Yeshua` used Dani'el's prophecy within the Olivet Discourse. That's a given. However, the passages that talk about "abomination of desolation" must...
  5. Retrobyter

    The Last Trumpet is not the seventh Trumpet

    Shalom, teleiosis. 1. And just WHO do you think the "Son of Man" is?! Isn't it Yeshua` that you call "Jesus?" So, if HE is sending His messengers (angels) with a sound of a trumpet, how do we know HE didn't just blow the trumpet, sending them out?! It's LUDICROUS for you to make such a...
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    EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM !

    Shalom, JLB. An assumption? What proof do you have of a gap beween the seven sevens and the sixty-two sevens? YESHUA` put the gap in the time frame when HE declared the Jews of Jerusalem "desolate!"
  7. Retrobyter

    EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM !

    Shalom, JLB. I understand that's what you believe, but what PROOF is there? Anyway, you need to be careful about using words as a label or as a trigger. It's not always true that "the end" is THE End! From Dani'el's perspective, the FIRST coming of the Messiah qualified as being in the time...
  8. Retrobyter

    EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM !

    Shalom, veteran and JLB. Hmmm.... So, you use Dani'el 9 to understand Matthew 24, but you use Matthew 24 to understand Dani'el 9? Sounds like circular reasoning to me! Just WHERE is it said that the Tribulation is "seven years" and the Great Tribulation is half of that? You've got to break...
  9. Retrobyter

    Receiving The Revelation 16:15 Scripture

    Shalom, veteran. No, that's not right! When Yeshua` returns and takes His vengeance out on those who have been against His people, whether Gentile believers or Jews, current believers or future believers, that's NOT THE END OF THIS AGE! The END of the age occurs at the END of the Millennium...
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    Receiving The Revelation 16:15 Scripture

    Shalom, veteran. Well, the last day of this present world is yet at least a thousand years off! And, "Hamown-gowg" is at the BEGINNING of the thousand years! Ezek. 39:9-16 9 “‘Those living in Isra’el’s cities will go out and set fire to the weapons, to use as fuel — the shields, breastplates...
  11. Retrobyter

    Receiving The Revelation 16:15 Scripture

    Shabbat shalom, veteran. Of course not. However, you STILL have the fact that the MESSIAH HIMSELF in vengeance is said to come from Botsrah (Bozrah) spattered in blood! Isaiah 63:1-6ff has not happened, yet! How in the world could that be "figurative and literal as to the Edomite PEOPLES?" It's...
  12. Retrobyter

    Receiving The Revelation 16:15 Scripture

    Shalom, veteran. I've noticed a slight problem with your scenario that you should consider: I believe that you're not right about the battle of Har-Megiddown being the time of the Messiah's coming. Although you are not alone in this assumption that you've made, there are other things that...
  13. Retrobyter

    The Last Trumpet is not the seventh Trumpet

    Shalom, teleiosis. First, there's no difference between a trumpet blown by a messenger (Greek: aggelos, transliterated "angel") and a trumpet blown by God. What general has EVER blown his own trumpet?! There are buglers who do his bidding, but the general is not the bugler! Second, the...
  14. Retrobyter

    EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM !

    Shalom, JLB. Look, I'll capitulate on the "every eye" part. You and veteran both are probably right that it refers to EVERY EYE of human beings throughout the earth (although it's still a possibility that it does not); however, do NOT make the same dichotomous assumption about the rest of the...
  15. Retrobyter

    Receiving The Revelation 16:15 Scripture

    Shalom, HeRoseFromTheDead. Hmmm.... "Cowards?" "Closed mind?" And, people who attack the person instead of the argument are out of steam in a debate! (Ad hominem arguments do not become you.) I've addressed the facts. I've no doubt that they have found what they wanted to find to throw...
  16. Retrobyter

    EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM !

    Shalom, veteran. But, the only other "more than one phrase" in Rev. 1:7 is that phrase that is in question, "Every eye shall see Him!" You are ASSUMING that it refers to "everyone alive on earth." It may also refer to "everyone alive in the LAND OF ISRA'EL!" And, since we just determined that...
  17. Retrobyter

    EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM !

    Shalom, JLB. You need to understand a point here: When Yochanan said in Rev. 1:7 that "every eye will see Him," he didn't HAVE to be talking about "every eye" on the planet! Rev 1:7 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds...
  18. Retrobyter

    Receiving The Revelation 16:15 Scripture

    Shalom, HeRoseFromTheDead. He needs to do no such thing. Your "study" is based in nonsense. Which is the stronger point in this context? Is it the fact that Yechezk'el says that the valley extends to "Aatseel?" OR, is it the fact that Yechezk'el says that the mountain splits from east to west...
  19. Retrobyter

    What prophesy are we looking for next?

    Shalom, veteran. It is important that all believers understand that Yeshua` was NOT talking about OUR understanding of "gospel" in the Olivet Discourse. Many feel that the "gospel" is defined in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4: 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel...
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    New Views on the Rapture

    Shabbat shalom, veteran. Please remember that the word "heavenly" in Hebrews 12:22 is NOT the same as the word "heavenly" in ... say ... Matthew 6:14, 26, 32, 15:18; Luke 2:13; or Acts 26:19. In those verses, the Greek word is "ouranios," meaning "of the sky." In Hebrews 12:22, it is the Greek...