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  1. GracePeace

    John 3 - Born of Water and Spirit

    Anyone who wants can go look at our interactions and see how many falsehoods you've emptily asserted that have been challenged and debunked--and they can see that you don't care to acknowledge basic Scriptural reality.
  2. GracePeace

    John 3 - Born of Water and Spirit

    You and @Illuminator need to take this discussion elsewhere. This thread is not to be about Catholicism vs Protestantism.
  3. GracePeace

    John 3 - Born of Water and Spirit

    STOP POSTING OFF TOPIC GARBAGE. START A NEW THREAD. THIS IS NOT ABOUT CATHOLICISM VS PROTESTANTISM.
  4. GracePeace

    John 3 - Born of Water and Spirit

    When you present an argument, the burden of proof is upon you--but this is especially the case with you, in fact, since almost all your arguments, upon inspection, fall through and prove to be nothing but air.
  5. GracePeace

    John 3 - Born of Water and Spirit

    1. Irrelevant, the point was as to the applicability of the baptism/frequency with which the baptism was to be given--just as John came to baptize all in water, so Jesus comes to baptize all in fire. 2. "Spirit and fire"--the "fire" refers to the Spirit, and they had fire over their heads on...
  6. GracePeace

    John 3 - Born of Water and Spirit

    As I already noted, the Johannine Comma does not include verse 6.
  7. GracePeace

    Justification by Faith Alone

    Of course I understand it. Psalm 85:5 I will hear what God the LORD will say; For He will speak peace to His people, to His godly ones; And may they not turn back to foolishness. What "foolishness"? Psalm 69:5 God, You know my foolishness, And my guilt is not hidden from You. As the Law says...
  8. GracePeace

    Justification by Faith Alone

    You're arguing against Paul who says those things were written to show us what can happen to us. You reject the Bible for your tradition.
  9. GracePeace

    Justification by Faith Alone

    How could a Jew "question whether he was delivered from Egypt"? Would he somehow think he was back in Egypt? That makes no sense. "Salvation" is like being delivered from Egypt "the House of Bondage". "Salvation" isn't a static standing with God unaffected by your deeds. That's not what...
  10. GracePeace

    Justification by Faith Alone

    Again, 1 Corinthians 10 says the Jews were saved by the blood of the Lamb and still fell under God's wrath to show us what can happen to us if we displease God with our actions which is what Romans 14:23 is teaching (works affect your standing before God).
  11. GracePeace

    Justification by Faith Alone

    No, it doesn't make sense. You're saying "condemns himself" doesn't mean "brings condemnation on himself". Romans 14:23 doesn't say "condemns himself" it says "you're condemned if you sin".
  12. GracePeace

    John 3 - Born of Water and Spirit

    @Ronald Nolette Keep in mind that my point (Word and Spirit are tightly bound together--eg, "My Words are Spirit") doesn't hinge on this verse.
  13. GracePeace

    John 3 - Born of Water and Spirit

    Please clarify. Yeah, the baptism Jesus is speaking of in Matthew 20 clearly isn't "Spirit and fire" because He says "it's not Mine to give but shall only be given to them for whom it is prepared of My Father"--but John says "Jesus baptizes in Spirit and fire", meaning just as John's mission...
  14. GracePeace

    John 3 - Born of Water and Spirit

    1. The Spirit is compared with elements--water, wind and fire. 2. John said He would baptize in Spirit and fire, and fire fell on them when the Spirit came. You take that as a "coincidence". That's unbelief in my book. 3. When Aaron's sons disobeyed fire came out from the Tabernacle and consumed...
  15. GracePeace

    John 3 - Born of Water and Spirit

    1. Who says it is contested? Please share some articles. 2. Which manuscripts are you using, which do you reject, and why?
  16. GracePeace

    Justification by Faith Alone

    Look at the context of that verse--it says "because we have become slaves of righteousness, we obtain the fruit of righteousness, holiness, and the end of holiness is eternal life". Yes, because we are naturally holy, we can know God ("this is eternal life" John 17:3), and then we are expected...
  17. GracePeace

    John 3 - Born of Water and Spirit

    1. It's a good point, but a) the book is written for the reader, and the reader is given the "legend" for understanding these things, and b) Jesus often says things in John's Gospel that leave the hearers scratching their heads (eg, John 16:18). 2. If you don't want to accept it it's fine with...
  18. GracePeace

    Justification by Faith Alone

    Yes, He died for our sins--and sin affects our justification Romans 14:23 He died for our sins to give us another shot at life. Just as when the Jews were saved from Egypt. The Jews went back to living in sin and fell under God's wrath. The same can happen to us according to Paul 1 Corinthians 10.
  19. GracePeace

    Justification by Faith Alone

    Paul teaches that doers of good will be repaid with eternal life when they are judged at the end Romans 2:6-16. Same as Galatians 6:6-10. Sin affects your justification--it results in condemnation Romans 14:23.