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Again, says who? Does the Bible talk about this line of thinking? If so, make your case. Otherwise you are asserting your own thoughts.

Says who? And is this line of thinking expressed in the Bible?

1 Corinthians 10:1-5 “Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same...

I believe we must obey with a pure heart. Nowhere did I say we must obey with an unclean heart. Nowhere did I suggest otherwise. So you are putting forth some kind of wild goose chase to divert away from the actual discussion here. After a person is convicted by the Holy Spirit of their sin...

I already explained to you that one type of obedience is believing according to Romans 10:14, and Romans 10:16. Also, if you are not going to explain Romans 4:3, and Romans 4:9-12, we are done with this discussion, my friend. There needs to be moment where there needs to be a give and take...

I am going to stick with the Bible on this one. Why? Well, here is a list I partially created showing… The Symbiotic Relationship Between The Living Word, & the Communicated Word: Christ is good (John 10:11, John 10:14), and the word is good (1 Kings 2:42). Christ is the truth (John...

But that does not matter. It’s how that word is translated today that matters. Words can change in meaning with the passage of time. For example: The word “gay” used to mean happy, but today folks would not dare say that word loudly in public in their work place out of the blue. Anyways, I...

You appear to be just repeating yourself without offering any substantial Scripture to back up your claims. You also did not explain verses like Romans 4:3, and Romans 4:9-12. My apologies. I worded that poorly. My words were not conveying what I actually believe. So I re-edited that...

Again, you are confused on what James 2:24 says. James is not talking about Initial Salvation but he is referring to believers who are living out their faith. James is saying that if your faith progresses in living it out here on this planet (Unlike the thief on the cross), then you will have...

Romans 3:28 says, “Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.” Context mentions works in this. “Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.” (Romans 3:27). It says we are justified by faith (belief) in...

But Romans 10:16 makes it clear that obeying can be in reference to believing. “But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?” (Romans 10:16). The context: “How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed?” (Romans 10:14)...

I am not sure the point in answering your questions has to do with the framework of your point you are trying to make. “Yes,” the Bible teaches that we can obey from the heart and “Yes,” the Bible does teach in the Sanctification Process that we can bring our thoughts in obedience to Him. This...

Then you have not been reading this thread. I already mentioned how Modern bibles actually change the commands of God and teach false doctrine (See post #458, post #459, post #460 for the list of changed doctrines; And see here for a list of commands changed in God’s Word). Is the KJB wrong...

First, the OT Scriptures existed even when Jesus died upon the cross. So no. This was no dead shell time. The Scriptures were being fulfilled. Second, you said before, I quote: “For me, as I see it, the Bible is an empty shell [like the dead unresurrected body of Jesus on the cross]...

@robert derrick You also did not answer my questions. How do you define the gospel? Does this gospel include water baptism? If there is no initial salvation, how does one first get saved? Do you believe you have salvation? If so, what did you do to merit that?

It’s always a good practice to read the chapter a little before you quote a verse to get a feel for what a verse is saying. 2 Corinthians 10:4 is in reference to our Sanctification Process and not how we are Initially Saved. Also, again… obedience can be in reference to either our choice to...

Okay. Taking a lunch break. I may be back if anyone has anything substantial to offer or if they have any real concerns that need to be explained. May God bless you all.