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Yes! It is difficult, if one does NOT have the Spirit of God. All of such, are "none of His"- Rom. 8:9, and are attempting to learn and TEACH what they learn, BY their "OWN understanding" .-Prov. 3:5 . Brakelite, it is apparent that you are serious about understanding the Lord's thoughts about...

Cowardice?? I can go the distance on this topic and prove you and all as being upside down. Yes, the Truth does cause one to run when they discover that their pet "religious" doctrines are being shattered to pieces. Are you brave enough to stay and find out?

Amen!!

Don't mix the vision with the angel's interpretation! DON'T!! Now, I am short for time at the moment, so I will only show the verse to read, with one clue. "The mighty and holy people" was Israel AT THAT TIME! Dan. 8[19] And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of...

Nope! How about some factual evidence about how Antiochus Epiphanes fell short of his desire to exceed being great? 1 Mac. 6[8] Now when the king heard these words, he was astonished and sore moved: whereupon he laid him down upon his bed, and fell sick for grief, because it had not befallen...

If you need more clarity, you must come to terms with the fact that Daniel is not the authority, but rather the angel Gabriel is, who interpreted Daniel's visions. Therefore, read the angel's interpretations separately from Daniel's writing of his visions. By doing that, you will not be...

Yes, your line of thinking is typical of the "religious" method of analytical study, by your fleshly mind. . You made only one factual statement that proves that Antiochus Epiphanes was THE "little horn" of Daniel, and that there was no future "little horn" to come. Brakelight wrote: a...

Speci No, wrong approach! You are not hearing what I am saying. Maybe by reading Isa. 55:8-9 and John 16:13 it will help.

You are speaking "religious" persuasion. An interpretation that is fabricated by the analytical, fleshly minds of the "scholarly learned" .

I agree! It's so overwhelming, that Christians are in a state of capitulation over the manipulation. Its hard for anyone to agree on topics in a Bible study.

I say, choose a respectable version that is comfortable to you and STAY with that!! I for one, got into too much of the many versions, and finally got disgusted with it all, and went back to the KJV. I have been fine ever since. When you seek God with your whole being, the Holy Spirit in you...

Correction: 1Mac. 6:8-16

I hear your point, and it sounds solid, but I am having an issue with the word "waxed". Some how, I don't think we are interpreting it correctly within the context. The Strong's #1980 interprets that word in Dan. 8:9 in numerous ways, so it lends itself to other verses for that understanding...

Years ago I had an 8 translation NT bible. I literally ripped it up and threw it in the trash, so that no one else would go through the confusion it brought to me. I went back to the KJV 35 years ago, and read nothing else, except the Strong's C. (KJV). I often refuse to hear anyone's...

Yes, there is a difference between those who follow Jesus and those who believe in Him!

The problem here is the word "waxed" is in the past tense, and "exceeding" is in the present tense. He desired to go beyond being great.

OK. But how about this: Antiochus, as a king, sought to achieve the height of exceeding (beyond) great, through his campaigns against his enemies. It's not that he reached his goal, but rather he attempted to do so.

How so? Both the NIV and the JW are translated from the Greek text of "Westcott & Hort". The KJV is not!

Correct! Everyone who is not of faith in the Lord Jesus, is "condemned already", is "a child of the devil", is "the natural man", is "that man of sin", is "the son of perdition", is "none of his".

But NIV is synonymous with the JW bible, whereas the KJV is not.