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I'm saying the body of Christ is a local church. The feet.. the hands etc.. those are individual members of a local church. All in a real NT church would be saved and baptised. So all would be saved in that church who are members. That's how it's defined in 1 Corinthians 12. But all...

Yes.. I'm speaking of a body of saved baptised believers in each locality as the NT had them. These are still local though. And not every believer is part of them. So an unbaptised believer.. wouldn't be in a church body. But still redeemed and in the Family and Kingdom of God. That's...

Yes that's attaching eternal salvation to 'the church'. I believe they are separate. Eternal salvation is thru believing Jesus is God, that He died and rose again, lived sinless, and that by believing in Him, an individual has eternal life. Being a member of 'the church ' though.. has...

One body in each locality. One body at Ephesus.. one body at Corinth.. one body at Phillipi etc Got a problem with multiple bodies? The Holy Spirit indwells every believer.. is that millions and millions of Holy Spirit's ? No. One Jesus.. with many NT assemblies He owns. Body as in...

I can agree with all local churches being 'the church'. But that isn't all redeemed. There will be believers who haven't joined a church.. not in this. I don't agree with a 'Baptist bride' either.. there are many many churches that are biblically sound that aren't Baptist in name. They would...

All that matters is how scriptures defines the New Testament church. The body of Christ is the church.. defined one way. So it's either local or universal but not both. And Paul defines it as local by calling the Corinthians the body of Christ.

The Kingdom of God and the body of Christ are not the same entity. Neither is the Family of God the same entity as the body of Christ.

Mathew 16:18.. Jesus building His church. Mathew 18:20 is of a visible local assembly.. therefore Mathew 16:18 would also be. Jesus isn't going to define His church one way and then contradict it. Paul persecuting 'the church of God' when he was a Pharisee. That is none other than the...

Yeah, a universal invisible church of all redeemed isn't in scripture. The Family of God includes all redeemed.. and that is. 'The church ' has to assemble. It is a congregation. A church of all redeemed isn't assembled. It will in the end as the New Jerusalem. But we aren't there yet.

The New Jerusalem is a yet future situation. We aren't there yet. There is churches plural.. but not one church of all redeemed yet.

Thanks for the reply Enoch111 In 1 Corinthians 12, Paul describes the body of Christ. It's defined by togetherness.. care for each-other.. members feeling each-others problems... one part of the body can't say to another part I am not of you.. etc.. This is language of a tangible.. localised...

Well that is the good thing with the KJV.. is because the translation is very accurate.. the context around the word church.. makes it an assembly or congregation anyway. But it does matter with the word 'church' .. because doctrine of salvation is attached to it. So.. many believers have...

The kjv 1611 took liberties with how they translated 'ecclessia'. In the Bishops Bible before the KJV.. it was congregation or assembly every time. They didn't use the word 'church ', which had taken on several meanings not in scripture. The old KJV 1611 .. because it was King Jimmy's...

Yeah in the end there is the Heavenly Jerusalem church of all redeemed. But we aren't there yet. It hasn't formed. All redeemed aren't assembled and so couldn't be called 'the church' It's not secular, fleshly thinking.. it's letting scripture speak for itself. Also the seven churches...

Thanks for the reply. You are referring to Romans 8:9, but this doesn't talk about the church. The subject of this is the state of a believer in the Spirit. A primary verse many use is 1 Corinthians 12:13. With Greek or Jew being baptised into one body. Including Paul. The issue with...

Yes, the term 'body of Christ' is in scripture. But scripture defines this as 'the church' 'The church' is the ecclessia.. a called out assembly .. from their homes.. to that assembly. Its defined one way. Its always local and visible. 1 Corinthians 12.. has a local and visible body of...

I agree with eternal security.. and being given that at salvation. But where in the bible is a body of Christ of all redeemed? The body of Christ is the church. The church-- is defined as an ecclessia-- a local and visible congregation/assembly. Called out from their homes.. to an assembly...

Okay, so you have joining 'the church' at salvation. John 3.. being receiving eternal life.. and that being joining the 'body of Christ' The problem with this.. is 'the church' is 'the body of Christ'.. so it is defined one way. 'The church'.. is an ecclessia.. which is a local and visible...

The one body in Ephesians is also describing the unit of the local body.. rather than all redeemed. It's using the term like we would use 'the horse' 'The horse is a magnificent animal' That's singular standing for all horses. Not one in particular, but about the actual horse. So it is...

That is the thing.. 'The church' is an assembly/congregation. All redeemed.. at this time don't meet as one assembly. Not yet...not until the New Jerusalem is set. So ... 'The church' now then.. is a local and visible assembly of saved, baptized believers. Covenanted together to carry out...