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  1. rebuilder 454

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Nope. Daniel 9 :27 declares in the middle of the 7byr trib ( one week) the AOD is performed in the temple. 3,5 yrs...then the next 3.5 yrs.= 7 yr period of trib/wrath.
  2. rebuilder 454

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    That's like saying a man in prison has his time shortened VIA TAKEN OUT OF PRISON, and you interpret it as the prison was shut down so his sentence is shortened. Nope, the ELECT ARE TAKEN OUT...(days shortened) in Rev 14:14. You are not connecting the dots properly.
  3. rebuilder 454

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Nope. The 4 horsemen unleash hell on this earth. The first one on a white horse kicks off the 7 yr trib. The rapture ( every rapture verse) is peacetime, normal life ,everyday life, commerce, and planning for the future, which is exactly opposite of the post trib model ....which is unbiblical.
  4. rebuilder 454

    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    QUOTE "And yet who taught you that there are two raptures. What site did you learn this from?" Lol I discovered rev 14 :14 way before you even entered the battlefield. When i saw it, NOBODY was teaching it. That is how far back I go. So....wrong again.
  5. rebuilder 454

    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    Incorrect. I do not need Noah in the ark 7 days. Never have. But here is the kicker...the setting by Jesus in the Noah analogy is normal life , everyday life, and free commerce, and planning for the future. So right there you have an insurmountable problem. Your dot connecting with the Noah...
  6. rebuilder 454

    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    He needs the Noah analogy to be one coming and the lot analogy to be a different one. The error stems from taking the word "tribulation" in mat 24 and making it into a non 7 yr period. That is the root of His entire doctrine. A word definition. That starting point makes up his progression into...
  7. rebuilder 454

    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    QUOTE "Please provide scriptural proof that Jesus comes back at the beginning of the week." Daniel 9: 27 the AC desecrates the temple HALFWAY THROUGH THE 7 YR TRIB. Daniel 9:27 ( literal) ....EV TH ἡμίσει της εβδομάδος ἀρθήσεται θυσία Ka in the half ofthe period of seven shall be lifted away...
  8. rebuilder 454

    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    Mid trib rapture. Not in bible. Unless it is the Jewish rapture of rev 14
  9. rebuilder 454

    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    HALFWAY through the 7 yr trib. 3.5 yr mark. In a model of a mid 7 yr trib rapture we would know within a day the rapture date.
  10. rebuilder 454

    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    Revelation, 12 and 13 have the Antichrist. Overcoming the saints it even says power is given him to overcome the saints. That is well before the desecration of the temple. The only protection during the 7 year tribulation is to the Jewish people that are Ushered to a place of safety, possibly...
  11. rebuilder 454

    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    ...and you can dodge the points i made. It does not go away. The ac is just one of the horsemen that you claim puts the church through "their" trib, and then you place the rapture AFTER "their trib" in a war torn, population massacre. You insert :"false christ", magically into the hand of the...
  12. rebuilder 454

    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    Raptured after the 4 horsemen? Rapture in a world of death and destruction? Note the setting your model is in; Rev 6 8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to...
  13. rebuilder 454

    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    You claim the trib starts when? When does the 7 yr, or whatever you want to call the "week" start? What do you call the 1 week ( 7 yrs) of Daniel?
  14. rebuilder 454

    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    We can clearly see the AC has a purpose of 7 yrs. He , strengthens, ratified, makes, enforces, confirms, or whatever dynamic is best for doctrine...a COVENANT. It is still him WITH A 7YR COVENANT. The white horse rider carries a bow. "Bow", is a "type" for covenant. God made the rainbow as a...
  15. rebuilder 454

    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    Quote "Please provide scriptural proof that Jesus comes back at the beginning of the week." 1) he comes back in a pretrib setting. 2) acts 1 mirrors exactly the pretrib coming 3) we know for a fact, Jesus gathers his church in a pretrib setting. 4) the AC is tge white horse rider, no matter how...
  16. rebuilder 454

    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    The word for word interlinear septuagent; EV TH ἡμίσει της εβδομάδος ἀρθήσεται θυσία Ka in the half ofthe period of seven shall be lifted away _ sacrifice and σπονδή καὶι επί TO τερόν βδέλυγμα τῶν libation [offering], and upon the — temple an abomination of the EPNUMGEWV ἔσται και EWS της...
  17. rebuilder 454

    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    QUOTE "BTW - You should check your math. We are not be at the midpoint yet." When is the midpoint? What day will the temple be descecrated?
  18. rebuilder 454

    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    Does it say in Daniel that in the middle of 7 years the temple is descecrated by the AC?
  19. rebuilder 454

    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    They think so. The hate manifests sooner or later, every single time.
  20. rebuilder 454

    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    If we are past the midpoint of the 7 yr covenant, We obviously missed the advent of the AC, and him being absent must mean the temple being dececrated at the halfway point, was another misspeak by Daniel. BTW...since we are in the middle of this supposed (already in place covenant), (according...