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Error by association ? The catholics have a few things right. I suppose your methods also cast down the trinity since the catholics believe in it? You say doctrine is not built on example , but you cast down the bride of Christ due to example. Not good

Rev 14 and Rev 19. Either the bible or you is lying. Can you actually read ? The one coming myth is a lie a baby in Christ can see through. Waste of thought to debate something that obvious.. Your deal is making a fool out of you.

This is horizontal thinking. Not a basis for understanding spiritual truths. Of all the concepts in the bible to cast down, you have to pick the heartbeat of heaven. You need to seriously investigate the bride of Christ. Your position is flat out bizarre.

IOW you are offended by God's word.

By casting down the fact that the church is the bride of Christ, you will never understand the purpose of the rapture or end times. The bible ends with the bride, and heaven, calling out to the groom. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Yes. By your own declaration of faith you will be left behind. We watch and are ready. You do not watch.... and you believe the false christ is coming... and no need to look for Jesus coming. In fact you mock the wise virgins for going out to meet Him.

Since the ac kills all refusing the mark, yes, your verse points to a pretrib rapture with those ones left behind martyred. They are martyred. They endured to the end of their lives.

Ok. Who, in Jesus's "before the flood Noah analogy" is swept away before the trib? Remember you have omitted the "before the flood" component, and the "half taken" components. Instead, you are telling me that before the flood, ( pretrib), the entire world dies.

Well if you are a "one coming" adherent, Jesus comes ( as in your matt model) postrib and postwrath. So if you are also in the "one coming" deception, then you have to understand you claim to go through the wrath also, since the postribbers declare there is only one coming. Huh????? Your deal...

Half of a group taken and destroyed? Half of what group is taken and destroyed before the flood????? You made that up big time. It in no way fits anything.

You have to have a plausible model. What are you trying to prove. All die before the flood????? You are painting yourself into a corner. What are you saying??? The church is not taken, and all the world dies but a few Christians??? What is your point????? Jesus is using an anolgy to illustrate...

Jesus uses an allegory. He illustrates the rapture in allegory. The components are: Noah His family. The flood. SPECIFICALLY BEFORE THE FLOOD The setting is beforeTHE flood. It has a gathering of HALF a group.(50% taken) SO NOBODY IS KILLED BEFORE THE FLOOD. EITHER IN THE FLOOD OR IN THE...

Not even close. Rev 14;.14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in...

You changed the wording of mat 24. You did that.

Do some research. You guys claim to practically own mat 24. That word "taken" in the Greek is "taken to a good place". Start there.

Half of what? He says half of a group. Half of what group? Half of the world's population? Half the world is saved/ born again/ worship Jesus?

Imagine that. You are now saying a preflood rapture where all are taken? Jesus was really confused? He says all are taken, then he changes to only half? Which is it? Wow how confusing for you. Look....Lay aside doctrine. Look where it is taking you. Into a desert. Confusion.

50% taken. Half go, half stay. It says exactly that. No blenderizing, no additives, no omissions. It says EXACTLY that. Sorry about that.

If the bride /groom dynamic interests you, then you may want to know of the Wife /God dimension from Hosea and Ruth. Once those are on the table a beginning of the heavenly perspective emerges. End times is a panoramic of purpose No other place will you hear those truths. ( very few...

Zero in, 40Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming Boom. You are getting the full truth of it. ...and yet you are...