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If not accomplished within the allotted time of 490 years how can that be the time fixed to finish transgressions and make an end of sins? The city and temple will have been spiritually destroyed long before Messiah the Prince would come. The physical destruction that shall come in 70 AD are...

If the prince that shall come is Titus in 70 AD as has been argued, his people who shall destroy the city and temple must be within the allotted timeframe after Messiah is cut off. All that is foretold in vs 24 must come to pass within the 490 years timeframe, which must include the army of...

Immortality doesn't belong to spirit! Spirit doesn't need immortality it is ETERNAL! That's why the life we receive when we have been born again is eternal until we receive a physical body changed from mortal to immortal. As God, Jesus is Spirit. When He was a man, His body was mortal...

The Old Testament saints could not go to heaven before Christ literally came to make atonement for sin and defeat death. That's why the Old Covenant faithful saints were in the bosom of Abraham. They did not go to the same place of the dead as the rich man, who was merely dead and buried...

Yes, I meant Mt 22 Th parable of the kingdom of heaven.

No matter how you try to slice it the prophesy of Dan 9 must be fulfilled in the timeframe allotted that is 490 years! Not 490 years plus 30-40 years. The breaks in this timeframe show what shall come to pass at differing points within the same timeframe of 490 years. Your view not quite the...

Neither of you are understanding what I'm saying. We know from Dan 9 that it is the people of the prince that shall come that destroy the city and sanctuary. That means they are Jews, because Messiah's (prince) people are the Jews. They did not literally destroy the city and temple but...

Yes, that's one prophesy the Preterit uses to assume Daniel 9 is referring to the physical destruction in 70 AD. How do you biblically prove Lk 19:41-44 is prophesy for the destruction that came in 70 AD and keep within the timeframe given by Daniel it happening within the 490 years he...

After saying Messiah, the Prince in vs 25, vs 26 says Messiah shall be cut off, then he writes of the prince that shall come. What prince is Messiah if not Messiah the Prince of vs 25? Do you believe Messiah, the Prince and Messiah cut off are not the same Messiah? Daniel 9:26 (KJV) And...

Yes, that is exactly what I believe the Word of God shows us. How else if not through spirit could the life we receive when we have been born again be eternal life?

Carefully read the verse. It does not say the people of the prince that shall come "destroyed the city and the sanctuary." It speaks of people coming in the future shall when they come destroy the city and sanctuary. Apparently when they are destroyed by the people that shall come it shall be...

Temporary? The spirit that returns to God after physical death is very much eternally alive, otherwise Christ would not have said the life we receive in Him when we have been born again is eternal and shall never die. I've already given you verses that teach our spirit indwelt with the Spirit...

I'm not lying when I say you are supporting and defending Preterit doctrine when you claim the prince that shall come comes from a Preterit point of view is a viable option apparently because you fear offending WPM. You cannot mix biblical truth with that which is not biblical truth. The only...

There is NEVER a date specific given in Scripture for the physical destruction we now know since it is past history, came in 70 AD. Throughout the Bible we find God's warnings of judgment and wrath that would come to His people if/when they do not repent of their unbelief and sins against Him...

You have a nasty habit of calling people liars!!! Why would you defend Preterit doctrine when you say you're NOT Preterit? That's like saying a little bit of biblical error is OKAY. Doctrinal purity means something to serious students of the Word of God!

In this passage of Daniel 9 there is no mention of any other Messiah, prince or he that is NOT Christ! Messiah the Prince is Christ, the prince of the people is Christ, he who shall confirm the covenant is Christ! Stop defending Preterits by saying a viable pov is anyone other than Christ in...

Those of Old had a futurist view that all that is written shall be fulfilled when the promised Messiah the Prince would physically come. My view is only futurist, pertaining to the last day when Christ shall come again the second time. During this time, we have been in since the coming of...

There must be a second coming of Christ to gather whosoever from among mankind has been born again. Christ won't be returning to this earth to establish physically the Kingdom of God here. It is when Christ comes again that believers are changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to...

This is interesting IndianaRob. I hadn't really considered it before, but I think you have a point. Zechariah's prophesy does speak of the coming Messiah, and those who were alive in those days when the Lord walked upon the earth, did look upon whom they pierced, and His disciples did mourn for...

Not "once again". The prophesy points to the first advent the prophets of old foretell that a time was coming when Messiah the Prince would come to save His people. When He came all the prophets regarding Him foretell, would then come to pass. When Christ returns for His people, He won't be...