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Maybe "forced" could happen and be one of the causes for martyrdom, but that's not what the word 'causeth" means. The a/c can say if you want to buy and sell you must have the mark but that doesn't mean everyone will or be forced to. Just as it is said, 'thou must not kill" doesn't mean that...

It's a little premature for that. The mark isn't here yet.

I agree w/ one thing they say though, Jerusalem is "not" the Babylon of Rev. 17.

I agree those times have not yet begun. I don't know why you thought I said otherwise.

Except for Christ's promise of Matt. 24:22. Those days are 'shortened for "our" sake. If they weren't, you're right, no one would be left alive but it's my opinion that it will be shortened via the rapture and our arrival in heaven is shown at Rev. 7:9, 14.

The spring feasts are irrelevant because Christ was the firstfruit! Those two items are part of the first fall feast, the feast of trumpets.

That's not what the bible says. Rev, 12:12 identifies itself by connecting to the exact language of Rev. 8:13. It's the last time the word "woe" is mentioned. How could God have made it any clearer? Satan coming to earth is the biggest woe of them all and the cause of all evil from that point...

The feasts of Israel are prophecies in type. The four spring feast were fulfilled by Christ to the exact days they were celebrated concluding w/ Pentecost 50 days after the end of the feast of weeks. It would be unwise to not believe the three fall feasts won't be fulfilled by Christ, the exact...

I would love to, how do we do that?

The woes are addressed to the "inhabiters of the earth" and they gradually increase. Woe 1 consists of Rev. 9:1-11, Woe 2 consists of Rev. 9:14-11:14, Woe 3 consists Rev. 11:15-Rev. 12:12. It is even addressed the same way, "Woe to the inhabiters of the earth". A child can see the connection...

Sorry bro, but you're the one that is clueless.

Believe what you want, If you don't want to study enough to find the truth it's on you.

To The Light: Your quote: Could you please tell me where in the book of Revelation does the following verses occur? Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers...

No such thing as a pre-trib. The 5th seal martyrs are the still here church. There is no such group as "trib saints", they are "us"!

If you really think that the feasts have nothing to do w/ the end times and bible prophecy, you still have a whole lot of learning to do.

That's your opinion, but the bible disagrees. One shouldn't make up things just because they want them to be true. There is way more to Rev. 11 and the way you are reading it is out of context. In Rev. 11:18, the phrase "is come" is used and it is in the same present/future tense as it is in...

In following, the way the scriptures are written, Rev. 9:12, one woe is past and behold there come two woes more, then your Rev. 11:14 then logically the next and last time a woe is mentioned it would be the third, Rev. 12:12. I don't know why you can't see that.

Regarding Zech. that was my point, the last trumpet has "nothing" to do w/ the seven trumpets

Sorry, but there are literally hundreds of scriptures that speak about end time prophecy in both the NT and OT, and Rev. isn't even the major part, it just happens to be the last part and you have to study them all and try to find out how they align w/ each other. Otherwise, if you use Rev. as...

I disagree, yes, you must pay attention to what the text says but "you don't stop there". You compare it w/ the writings of Matt, Luke, Peter, John, etc. and what the OT prophets said about these times, then you add them together in a way that aligns w/ each other. If some points don't line up...