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  1. Runningman

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Unfortunately, the Athanasian Creed didn't work that out completely. The error in this work is that, in the doctrine of the Trinity, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three distinct persons but one God. On the other hand, the Son is said to be both human and divine, yet is a singular person...
  2. Runningman

    Who are : "Vessels fitted for Destruction"?

    Right. The "vessels of destruction" doctrine in Reformed theology isn't actually about people being predestined to go to hell in the New Testament. They have misunderstood that, I believe. Everyone vessels gets destroyed sooner or later regardless of their salvation status.
  3. Runningman

    Who are : "Vessels fitted for Destruction"?

    Everyones' vessel gets destroyed sooner or later, but it's just a matter of when. The vessel in this context is where the Spirit of God would be, the temple, but I don't believe Paul was saying some people are going to be predestined to be destroyed in hell for example. I think all Paul meant is...
  4. Runningman

    The Best Revenge?

    What I have experienced is that even when someone deserves to be disrespected, it's better not to do it. It won't teach them anything good, and it will likely escalate the situation. Even when it would have been classier and more mature for them to show some humility, most people aren’t thinking...
  5. Runningman

    Reader Poll - Bible Reading - BEFORE or AFTER you became a Christian?

    Before I was a Christian, I did read the Bible on my own a bit here and there. I think Chick-fil-A used to stamp John 3:16 on their bags and cups back in the day, so I at least knew that verse. It wasn't until after I became a Christian that I actually began taking a serious look at the Bible...
  6. Runningman

    Is the claim of only one God false? - How many gods are there?

    Most likely, there are different uses of the word for "God" in Hebrew culture, but as far as I can tell, the Greek isn't nuanced enough to capture that. Every now and then, someone writes something with the word for "God" in it that is quoted from the Old Testament, where there are many...
  7. Runningman

    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    I hate to break it to you, but in context of Colossians 1:15-20 Jesus is a human who was crucified. Blessed be his holy name. However, you are wrong on the concept of Juesus as a man who is God. That's wrong. Humans aren't God. So I will end my final comment in this thread with respect to @Hepzibah
  8. Runningman

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Curiously, the Word is spoke of as God in the past tense in most translations of John 1:1 I have seen.
  9. Runningman

    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Oneness with God and each other isn't something that is unique to Jesus. Jesus didn't say he was God nor did anyone say you must believe Jesus is God as part of the gospel. It's looking like you're the cursed one, since you bring the subject up. John 17 20Neither pray I for these alone, but for...
  10. Runningman

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Yet the Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son in Trinitarianism. The Father is said to be a Spirit, and He’s holy. Jesus is also said to have become a life-giving Spirit, and He’s holy. So the Father and Son are both holy and both a Spirit, yet they are not the same as the Holy Spirit. What I...
  11. Runningman

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    That's certainly plausible and more along the lines of what I believe too.
  12. Runningman

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Yes, exactly. That's philosophy in my opinion, since the literal definition of logos would be about words, spoken words, speaking—like that idea. Yet words and spoken words aren't a person, yet the logos is assigned a masculine pronoun. This could be seen as personification, since non-person...
  13. Runningman

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Question... how many Holy Spirits are there in the Bible?
  14. Runningman

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    I don't know. The elohim who are the "us" in Genesis could just as easily be seen as the congregation of elohim with God in Psalm 82:1. John chapter 1 is about as clear as mud for Trinitarianism. Since God is defined as a Trinity of three persons in Trinitarianism then John 1:1 reads like "the...
  15. Runningman

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    It seems to have started as a sectarian movement at some point. There were clearly those who believed that because Jesus had powers, it meant that he was God, because he did the things God can do, like resurrect people, heal them, and perform various other miracles. Normal people can't do that...
  16. Runningman

    unofficial gods:

    Perhaps, but in any case there are certainly more beings, persons, entities, spirits, ghosts, gods or whatever you want to call them out there than God Almighty. People can get drawn away in any number of directions by real beings. Some of them agree with Christianity, some of them don't. Some...
  17. Runningman

    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    No he wasn’t a sinner. He was a servant in a general sense, but Paul was referring specifically to becoming obedient to death on a cross. Jesus asked that the “cup” pass from him, but what he plainly meant was that he didn’t want to die. No one wants to die, but Jesus became obedient to that...
  18. Runningman

    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    yes, scripture is plain that Jesus is God’s chosen servant. By the fact of being chosen indicates that he wasn’t always God’s servant doing God’s work. Think back to who Jesus was before his ministry began. He was himself a builder or carpenter according to Mark 6:3. He was a common man from...
  19. Runningman

    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Jesus never sinned, but God has a personal will and mission for Jesus that involved a ministry and crucifixion. God, at times, may require the same of us. Look at Philippians 2:5-11 again and observe such. In any case, Jesus served and obeyed God with his choices. Jesus could have gotten out of...