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Playing the victim card doesn't gain you any ground. The only mockeries are all the denials of the clear language of scripture. You claimed Abraham tithed. Yes...of the spoils that belonged to other people. You conveniently ignored that, later in Numbers 31, the Lord commanded FAR less than a...

Good grief! Those pharasees were still under the Law. Do you want evidence for that? Look at the incident where Jesus told one of the men He had healed to go and offer up the burnt, thanksgiving sacrifices at the altar, according to the Law. Just because Jesus said it to those people doesn't...

[/color] I agree. Percentages are neither here nor there. The problem I have is with the pro-required-tithe teachings that enjoy historic backing, although no scriptural backing. Perhaps "custom" is too weak a term when it comes to grasping the full extent of evil behind the...

Based on what? My experience with blanket statements such as this is that such assumptions lead only to the dead-end of legalism. There are many people blessed who don't tithe, and many people who do tithe faithfully, and yet who suffer greatly. Complaining isn't the issue in question here...

Ok, 2027, what did you glean from those passages of scripture?

Very true indeed. It's only by way of the wildest of imaginations, or one who has a devlish agenda, that one can see what isn't there. Good point. That's why I refer ro tithing as an act of "handing over." No amount of mental/intellectual girations can possibly concoct a reasonable...

Ahh. I see. I thought you were talking about tithing itself. That doctrine, from what I've been able to dig up, traces its roots back to the sixth century. That's the earliest I can find any reference to what's commonly taught today. Pagan practices were the most predominant in the fourth...

Ahhh, but Barna and his gang who do ,allegedly imparial, surveys, seem to think most professing believers don't tithe faithfully. Most institutional church organizations provide data showing that those who attend churchianity don't give enough to organized religion. Given the many fleshly...

That's exactly the problem today. For most, when they tithe, that tends to be the majority, primary portion of their giving, Handing that over to institutionalized church organizations, in most cases, is a robbery of God, not giving to God. Yes, if they do so out of a sense of requirement. SW

Abraham used currency, which proves that currency served as the means and measuring stick (so to speak) by which the worth and value of commodities and livestock were traded. Jesus Himself spoke of the CURRENCY the laborers in the field were told they would receive for the days labor in His...

That's pretty much what I get from the texts when I read them. As much as I've tried, I can't find the continuity in the teachings of those who instruct that the tithing requirement is still for today. Those who teach that must perform all manner of intellectual gymnastics in order to violate...

I hope you don't mind if I refuse to engage in ad hominem bantering with you..... Yes. He was speaking to a man at a time when all the Israelites were still under the Law. Ok. I get that. Those who owned producing lands, herds and flocks handed over a tithe of those very items from the...

So, when Jesus told the man He had healed to go and sacrifice at the temple, do you do that as well? Can you show me in the Law where wage earners were required to hand over one red cent to the Levites? What does that have to di with tithing? BTW

(Denver;9008) A type is nothing more than a type, an ideal. That differs greatly from a commandment or God's Word which makes it a sin. Good point. I would agree that it's indeed an ideal for most men to have only one wife. Population ratios simply wouldn't allow for too many men to have more...

(Denver;7605) Genesis 2:18And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. Notice the singular use here. God created one wife for Adam and that is the natural example for all of us to bare in mind. Are you sure that such a singular exists...

(kriss;7604) I agree with you Lionroot but persucution doesn't mean you are to break the law. If every person that thinks they are being persecuted broke the law there would be chaos and no laws. This is nothing short of poisoning the well with extremes. This line of reasoning leads to...

kriss wrote in post #2: that the sin was polygamy.’ It was the same type of sin that the Cainite Lamech practiced, the sin of polygamy, particularly as it came to expression in the harem, the characteristic institution of the ancient oriental despot’s court. You believe that polygamy was a...