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It is open to whoever. It was just derailing another thread. (Quotes from the copied material may not attribute correctly.)

This derail topic has been moved to Which Team Is The Devil Playing For...?

@quietthinker wrote, Hell is a whole other subject to explore. Consider this, If God is consistent ie, as in the revealing of himself in Jesus then 'Hell' as it is understood as a place of torment for eternity doesn't fit into the equation.

Jesus wasn't addressing Peter. He was addressing Satan who was manipulating Peter, an unwitting participant. If that were true, God wouldn't have created Hell just for him. Jesus said, "Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:..." Matthew...

@amadeus wrote, Or perhaps some man in that role named as Satan as Peter was named Satan by Jesus? Which one is worse in the eyes of God, the unbeliever who performs or instigates the curses, or the believer in a lapse who does the same? "Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must...

@quietthinker wrote, Satan was see like we might seen the public prosecutor.....the accuser.

So, do you see Satan as a willful tool of God or an unwitting one?

@amadeus wrote, What do I believe? I believe that every man born of woman throughout his course [his lifetime] works either "for" God or "with" God to accomplish men's part in God's overall plan. Those working "with" God should be the ones paying close attention to God's perfect will for a...

Do you believe that, or are you just boiling down the other poster's statement?

@amadeus wrote, Satan, the adversary or simply... the left hand of God!

So, you don't think that Jesus' exposure of the Devil should redefine his Old Testament appearances? Also, if that was the tradition of the Pharisees of Jesus' time (that both good & evil came from God), how were they able to understand His insult of them? "You are of your father the devil, and...

@quietthinker wrote, No, I'm saying one needs to understand how the Jews saw the element of evil if one is to get a handle on how the scripture writes on this stuff.

Are you trying to make the case that His views were incorrect?

@quietthinker wrote, @ Sabertooth, Well it basically means that the references in the OT that make it appear that God is behind certain killing is the the reflection of the view that the Hebrews had ie, that God is responsible for both the good and the bad....even the prophets held this view...

I saw it as confirmation of Satan's existence, since Jesus, Himself, was tempted by him, face-to-face. (Your only other option is to side with Jewish tradition, against Jesus.) No One Believes In Me Anymore (Satan's Boast), Keith Green (1977) (BTW, Keith was a Messianic Jew.)

@quietthinker wrote, Do you understand what the implications of this is Sabertooth?

@quietthinker wrote, yeah...Jesus broke the mould. It wasn't until Jesus that we learn't who this underhanded figure is.....he identifies the dark side contrary to what the Jews believed.

Jesus seems to [Matthew 4:1-11, also Luke 4:1-13].

@quietthinker wrote, The long and short of it is they don't believe in a devil. They believe God orchestrates everything good and bad. The understanding of this gives a new perspective to some of the statements in the Old Testament. Going to a synagogue and speaking with a Rabbi re this would...

I don't know such a person. I have only talked to Messianic Jews, but not about that topic specifically.