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They are the beginning of birth pains, which is often used metaphorically in scripture to signify coming change- plain and simple. The birth pains of wars, famine, earthquakes, etc… don’t, ALONE, indicate the end is yet. It’s WHEN you see ALL these things (vs 4-8 PLUS vs 9-29) THEN you know...

My point is that it’s not a natural reading or flow - the generation that sees all these things will not pass away until all these things happen - It’s redundant and circular. Contextually, the events of the Olivet discourse include events of the destroy of Jerusalem. Grammatically there is no...

You provided strongs concordance (which is not a lexicon) stating that “Houtos” can mean “this or that”. Strong’s includes “this or that” to reflect how translators render Greek INTO ENGLISH, not to imply that the Greek word means both equally. “Houtos” is a demonstrative pronoun. It points...

Jesus isn’t giving an obgyn lecture. You are taking the analogy way too literally. While it’s true that birth pains don’t signal immediate delivery, Jesus didn’t say they did. He said they mark the beginning of the process that leads inevitably to the end. That’s what the metaphor means — and...

Global events? Vs 4-8 are not required to be “global”. I agree that those events can be included in “all these things” in Luke 21:36 Where does it mention every eye will see him in the olivet discourse? Luke 21 doesn’t mention a gathering - so grammatically and contextually, that would not...

So are you saying that “this generation” just means “the generation that sees all these things will not pass away until all these things take place”? That’s kind of redundant. It’s already implied that there will be a generation living through the events with phrase “shall not pass away until...

Jerusalem was not yet being “trampled” when Jesus gave the olivet discourse. “Will be” is a future tense verb, passive - meaning Jerusalem will in the future exist in a “state of”. Trampled is a present tense participle - Meaning it’s a continuous action related to the main verb. So all...

Again vs 4-8 do not say - “the end is not near”. Vs 4-8 say the end is “not yet”, and that they are the beginning of birth pains Birth pains: “The term "birth-pangs" is used metaphorically in the Bible to describe intense suffering or distress that precedes a significant event or...

chronology of the OD is much less important if it’s summed up with “this generation will not pass away until ALL these things happen”. In other words, it Doesn’t really matter the exact order, if they ALL happen before “this generation passes away”. But if you believe that the coming of the...

in vs 4-8, It doesn’t say the end “is not near”. It says the end “is not yet”. Vs 4-8 were just the beginning of birth pains, with more things still yet to follow before the end. The apostles generation lived through the events of vs 4-8. As to vs 9-24, the apostles’ generation lived through...

To be fair, you also draw invisible dividing lines in the text, jumping with 70ad and +2000 years later. Covenantee just does it in one spot. I think you do it in 2 spots? Right, according to your framework he didn’t. So your negotiation is to draw invisible divine lines. Oh definitely...

Name one Greek expert that disagrees that that a Greek demonstrative pronoun is used as pronoun when it stands alone and as an adjective when it’s next to a noun. Name one Greek expert, that disagrees “this” acts as an adjective to genea, and “these things” is a stand alone pronoun in Matthew...

Sure, just provide one Greek expert that disagrees In order to validate this claim I mean, I absolutely agree it’s the generation that lives through the events of the Olivet discourse that doesn’t pass away. That’s pretty much implied with the whole “not passing away until these things...

αὕτη (houte; this) is a demonstrative pronoun. When its by itself, its just a standard pronoun whose antecedent is the main noun. When its next to a noun, its an adjective describing that noun. Demonstrative pronouns, particularly ὗτος (houtos), describe things near. In the case of matthew...

I thought covenantee already explained that vs 29 is idiomatic expression for the fall of jerusalem in the same way as similar expressions are used in the OT for the fall of nations? vs 30 starts with "and then" which could mean distant future. That's where the dividing line seems to be drawn...

What? “This” generation definitely means something different than “that” generation, so I have no idea what you are talking about.

According to your framework it doesn’t fit. If you believe Matthew 24:30-31 are required to be absolutely literal, then you need to negotiate with the text. In your instance you seem to be arguing genea cannot mean group of people living at the same time but must instead mean generated from a...

2a and 2b are the usages of 2. That’s how Lexicons work….. Biblical use of men of same stock/family: A.) step in natural descent - 14 generations from Abraham to David B.) metaphorically of men grouped together by a characteristic- this “wicked” or “perverse” generation.

29 or 30? I thought it was 30? Whose spiritual discernment gets to decide when it is actually near? I mean if Jesus said when you see all things (events listed in the Olivet discourse), you WILL know He is near/right at the door, and then apostles in the NT claim it’s near/right at the door...

Based on the multiple definitions of the word the English word, generation, I think it is used as a noun for a group of people living at the same time in the context of Matthew 24. From dictionary.com : the entire body of individuals born and living at about the same time: the postwar...