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    WHAT DID JESUS MEAN TO BE BORN OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT

    You don't get it. Receiving the Holy Spirit as indicated in Acts 2:38 is the spirit itself, not one of the gifts of the Spirit, one of those listed in 1 Cor 12:8-10. Read more carefully! The GIFT of the Holy Ghost is THE Holy Ghost and not one of its gifts or a manifestation of it.
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    Genesis as allegory? - History versus allegory

    Binary schminary. All or nothing is what I believe.
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    Genesis as allegory? - History versus allegory

    It boils down then to belief and acceptance. You either believe all the bible or none of it. You can't selectively belief only those parts you like and reject the rest.
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    WHAT DID JESUS MEAN TO BE BORN OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT

    The answer is quite simple as to the purpose of water Baptism. Acts 2:38 states it emphatically which is supported by other scriptures. Simply put, it's for the remission of sins, and then upon being obedient, you then receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, the indwellingif tge Spirit, and are...
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    WHAT DID JESUS MEAN TO BE BORN OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT

    Purpose is the question: what was or is the purpose of baptism, and it's not to show anyone anything. A public display is NOT it's purpose.
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    Genesis as allegory? - History versus allegory

    If historical lineage can be traced back to genesis, it's fact.
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    WHAT DID JESUS MEAN TO BE BORN OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT

    Once again for clarity, most people make the mistake regarding your first comment wherein said " I am just acknowledging that its shown both ways, the receiving of the Holy Ghost after being baptized by water and also before being baptized by water." You need to read the related scriptures...
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    WHAT DID JESUS MEAN TO BE BORN OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT

    I may have taken your comment incorrectly. I assumed you meant that this, the falling of the Holy Ghost on Cornelius in Acts 10, was evidence of negating the need for water baptism. Yes, no? If yes, you are wrong as I explained. If no, then I apologize and we're more likely in sync.
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    WHAT DID JESUS MEAN TO BE BORN OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT

    Just for clarity, baptism is not a "outer witness" of anything to anyone. That's not its purpose. The conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8 happened in front of no one except Philip.
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    WHAT DID JESUS MEAN TO BE BORN OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT

    You are misunderstanding that scripture. Why did the Holy Ghost fall on Cornelius? Why also, on the only other time this happened in this manner, did the Holy Ghost fall on the 11 apostles in Acts 2? It was a sign from God. In Acts 2, it was a sign from God to convince the Jews onbthe day of...
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    WHAT DID JESUS MEAN TO BE BORN OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT

    Baptism=the water at which point you also receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38 38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. And read Romans 6
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    THE APOSTLES DID NOT ALL PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL

    I'm not going to go around in circles with you. There is one gospel, one faith, one Lord, one baptism, for everyone. Believe what you like. Goodbye
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    THE APOSTLES DID NOT ALL PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL

    I don't know what you're mean..it appears that you, like many others erroneously think that you can find the complete message on any given biblical topic, nicely in one place, and that each and every time it must be repeated in total. That's not how it works nor does that make sense. Why are...
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    THE APOSTLES DID NOT ALL PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL

    Not preached all at the same time which h is obvious and logical, but the point is it is one gospel not many different ones or that impose different things on different peoples
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    THE APOSTLES DID NOT ALL PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL

    Mark 16:15 says in Jesus own words, "preach the gospel to every creature", singular, not gospels, and specific, "the", and "every creature" means the same one to everyone. And Matt 28 says "teach all nations", not a unique one to Jews, and some other one to non-Jews.
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    THE APOSTLES DID NOT ALL PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL

    The body of Christ IS the church
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    THE APOSTLES DID NOT ALL PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL

    You are very, very, wrong and mislead. There was and is only one gospel message and it is applicable to, and meant for all. Gal1:8-9 8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9As we said before, so...
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    THE APOSTLES DID NOT ALL PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL

    What does that mean, "good news about Jesus Christ"? What is the good news?? The good news is that through him mankind can be foregiven and redeemed, and that men's souls can be saved by his cleansing blood that was shed for all that believed in him and are obedient to the good news meaning get...
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    THE APOSTLES DID NOT ALL PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL

    How about the actual encounter as cited in Acts 9? This is what I was referring to. So, even though Saul encountered the Lord and obviously then believed in him, he was told he still had something to do beyond just his belief. 5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus...
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    Believing on Christ is a evidence of being born again !

    Belief is 1st and foremost as is faith Repentance is required (Acts 2:38) Confession of your belief (ref. The Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8, and Rom 10:8-10) Baptism, water immersion, for remission is sins (Acts 2:38)