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I don't know if you've picked up on it, but some people are beyond being reasoned with. It may be a waste of your energies.

@Doug Still haven't gotten an answer to this--Jewish believers have died, thus were freed from their obligation to serve by the Law, and are no longer in the flesh but are in the spirit (Ro 7:5, 8:9)...

If Peter was never in the Church, why does he think that Jesus's rules about the Church apply to him, so that he asks about how many times he should forgive his brother, and why does Jesus give him the rules for behavior in the Church? Matthew 18 15“If your brother sins, go and show him his...

So, would you say that this would be one of the points on which you differ with Doug?

Sorry, it was Ro 11:13

At the time, I was trying to understand your position--because it's really fortuitous, has no actual logic or sense--on whether the so-called "remnant of Israel believers" were "in Christ".

1. Before, you said that the difference between them and those who believe Paul's Gospel was that "we are secure in our salvation" but "they had no such assurance [of salvation]"... ...but, now, you're changing your argument. LOL! Could it be that you don't have a clue what you're talking...

LOL! I thought you already conceded Peter was the rock He built His church on--it doesn't matter, though, because, at the end of the day, Peter is in the Church, and is given instructions for what to do with people who misbehave in the Church. Literally no one but some silly woman "gets" your...

LOL! You all really are ridiculous. Jesus taught the disciples He would build His church, and the gates of hell would not prevail against it, and that if people misbehave, kick them out of the congregation, so they all had better behave... but Peter is not in the congregation, and he never was...

It makes it more difficult to discuss things that our time zones are what they are--but I have to check out in the middle of our conversation. Sorry. It's late here.

You said Peter was not in the Church. So, is he in, or did he get kicked out?

So, again, you said Peter was not part of the Church, right?

So, Peter is NOT part of Christ's Church which He says He will build, and that the gates of hell will not prevail against? LOL! What did Peter do that he got kicked out of the congregation? LOL!

Matthew 18:15-20

So, Peter is a member of the Church right?

So, Peter is part of the Church, right?

Is Peter part of Christ's congregation that the gates of hell will not prevail against, or is he not part of that?

Irrespectively, Jesus gave instructions about if a person sins, you go to them personally, then, if they don't listen, bring other witnesses, and, if they still don't listen, bring them before Christ's Church/Congregation, and if they still don't listen, kick them out of the congregation, and...

Irrespectively, do you deny Peter was part of Christ's "Church", which just means "congregation"? Even Doug conceded that much.

That I know of, I cannot accept the Marian dogmas. I already reject "faith alone". I already know you all know God--just like the Calvinists, the Orthodox, the Lutherans, etc. But everyone demands that you adhere to all or nothing, so I haven't joined any of them. Also, for me, the buck stops...