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  1. PinSeeker

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    Right, I agree. But if you're accusing me of that ~ which you are ~ that's a problem of yours and yours only, because I'm certainly not doing that. Not sure what you're referring to here. Are you making stuff up? Or just throwing out examples? It is possible to use our own words to explain...
  2. PinSeeker

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    That's a great one, for sure. And just a couple of sentences earlier, Peter wrote this: "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to His great mercy, He has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an...
  3. PinSeeker

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    The only way to things that are in opposition to each other can possibly both be true is if the two things are in very different senses. And this is really the problem here concerning "OSAS." If one does not understand "OSAS" correctly, then yes, that is very wrong... <smile> ...but "OSAS"...
  4. PinSeeker

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    Actually, it's written, mailmandan, so that would mean it's libel. But carry on. <smile> I mean... I'm just poking fun atcha... <smile> Grace and peace to you.
  5. PinSeeker

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    Uh-oh. That's... definitely an immediate concern when one starts his analysis of just about anything in God's Word by saying, "All that is saying is"... <smile> Well, Jews of God, yes. But just Christians of Jewish ethnicity, absolutely not. Wait, are you talking about the same Paul that may...
  6. PinSeeker

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    You will. <smile> Even if you now, or at any time past or future, think it necessary to be... re-saved... <smile> ...or that any of your previous "savings," uh, "didn't take." <smile> Grace and peace to you, Jack.
  7. PinSeeker

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    In the (silly) sense that some think of "OSAS" in, yes. it's terrible. But nobody here has propagated it in that sense at all. So the "satanist" and "satanic" accusations don't apply and are really quite ridiculous. See my post (#2590) above, Big Boy, and you should easily be able to see...
  8. PinSeeker

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    Well, now that depends on what you mean by, or how you understand both "depart from the faith" and "in the faith." <smile> More so the latter, really. Observe: Yes, to put this in a tangible way, you can't depart from, say, a house, if you were never in that house, that's true enough. But...
  9. PinSeeker

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    Do you have your eyes closed? <smile> Look at this verse carefully. And this is the New Testament, of course: "Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days He has spoken to us by his Son..." (Hebrews 1:1-2) From that, can you not...
  10. PinSeeker

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    Chronologically speaking, yes, but what He did made salvation possible retroactively as well as proactively... for all time. You believe that, right, Rich? Or not?. Right. Just as it is impossible for man to save Himself without God working salvation in him and giving Him life in Christ...
  11. PinSeeker

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    Absolutely correct, but this same Paul also says the following: "...we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them..." (Ephesians 2:10). "I am sure of this, that He Who began a good work in you will bring it to...
  12. PinSeeker

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    Right, so experientially speaking, yes, some will depart from the faith. But that says nothing about whether they ever really had faith ~ which is God's assurance of things hoped for, and conviction by the Holy Spirit of things not seen, as Hebrews 11:1 says. And... as we see in Hebrews 3:12...
  13. PinSeeker

    Amil interpretation of 2 Peter 3:10-12 vs Genesis 9:15

    David, you know where I stand with regard to the millennium. But I submit to you that a person believing "God is literally going to engulf the entire planet in fire" doesn't have anything to do with the millennium of Revelation 20. By that, what I mean is, there are people with, I'd say, any...
  14. PinSeeker

    Bread and wine or crackers and kool-aid

    <chuckles> I'm guessing this is a rhetorical question... <smile> Yeah, what matters is doing it, right? Remembering and proclaiming the Lord’s death until he comes (1 Corinthians 11:26)? I mean, remembering that Christ's body was given for you and His blood shed for you, that He paid the...
  15. PinSeeker

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Lastly, I'll just throw this out there... What is the Bible's definition of 'faith?' We don't have to guess; Hebrews 11:1 gives it to us explicitly and outright. "Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." This assurance is not of ourselves, else it is no...
  16. PinSeeker

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Well, yes, but if we have been born again of the Spirit, our will is then to do the will of the Father... rather than to do the will of our former father, the devil. Remember what Jesus says to a group of unbelieving Jews in John 8 and John 10: "If you were Abraham’s children, you would be...
  17. PinSeeker

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    It might be the Non-Denominational denomination. <smile> Grace and peace to you, CS.
  18. PinSeeker

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Deserving of it, yes. When we are newly born, we may or may not have sinned outwardly (and probably not), but this is not the issue. The problem is the state of the heart, the nature of the person, the spirit that person even as an infant has in him/her. We are born in this sinful state, just...
  19. PinSeeker

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Hmmm. Try again... <smile> Well, actually, right, we don't become that way at birth, as if we were not that way before. But we are born that way. "By nature," as Paul says there in Ephesians 2:3. So, naturally. It is the natural human condition. From birth.. even from conception, really...
  20. PinSeeker

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Well that's quite ironic; I would say the exact same thing to you. It's really not. As I said, difficult to accept, maybe, but not so "complex." This is neither here nor there, really, but misunderstanding this or that in Scripture does not necessarily mean someone is ignorant, or unstable...