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Thanks ScottA. I will have to think on these things.

As my wife would tell me, "It's all about the relationships." OT saints could have a relationship with a creator God who had been made manifest. They could not have a relationship with a redeemer God who had been promised, but not yet been made manifest. Yes, it is very sad that everyone does...

God did not want anyone who was alive on earth to eat of the tree of life after they had sinned because they would have ended up in the lake of fire. Those in Paradise, also in my opinion called Abraham's bosom, were able to eat of the tree of life. They were unable to ascend into heaven...

Lets try a different approach. Genesis 1:6 "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." This firmament extends from the earth through the stars. It is our physical universe. Are the waters above the firmament invisible?

I agree with this, but when I called it the "good side of hell," there were objections. Any thoughts as to when Abraham saw 'Jesus' day?' A vision when Abraham was alive? Was Abraham watching Jesus from "the good side of hell?" My point in my recent threads is most people conclude that Rev 4:1...

I don't see the link between predestination in Romans 8 and how the Holy Spirit worked in the Old Testament. Hebrews 11:13-17 13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were...

They new a redeemer would come. They didn't know Christ. Isaiah was prophesying that when Jesus came, many Jews would reject Jesus, but many Gentiles would believe in Jesus. The sound going into all of the earth is a reference to Psalm 19:1-6 1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the...

Can you give a rebuttal to Tommy Cool's post. Coming upon and abiding in are 2 separate manifestations.

Thanks Tommy Cool

Jesus ascended in a flesh and bone body, maybe without blood. The 2 witnesses ascended and people watched them. Why would the physical body be raised if it didn't have a spirit coming to fill it? A transfiguration type of event is coming for "we who are alive and remain." The physical body...

You missed the hardest one. 1 Samuel 16:13 "Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the Lord came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah." I never said that God did not pour out his Spirit on people in...

I'm a little confused. Are you referring to the Godly and ungodly as the 2 classes of people? The book of Daniel is very clear about the spiritual forces acted being the scenes in the battles of mankind. The evil spirits gather the ungodly to a specific place because the evil spirits can't be...

I think we are talking about God's grace throughout time, with or without the Holy Spirit. See my post to Tommy Cool.

Paul talks about the election of grace for OT believers. Romans 11 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying, 3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars...

I mentioned King David and John the Baptist. I am not sure what to make of that.

How is bodily resurrection relevant to the time people receive the Holy Spirit? I believe the moment Jesus arrived on high is pictured in Rev 5:6. "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain...

The righteousness of God was made know in the OT, but it was not understood. In the sermon on the mount, Jesus showed that the best of the Jews had no idea what the law entailed. For example: Hatred is murder. I think one of the greatest mercies of God is not revealing to us all of our sins at...

They should have, but obviously they did not. King Saul rejected God and was later filled with an evil spirit which could only be driven out when David played his music. The answer to your question is yes. Israel did not have the power to cast away all of their transgressions. That is, they...

Exactly!

I don't understand. Wasn't the Gospel new, when it was presented? 1st song - Relationship between man and God exists for those with faith in the creator God, but mankind is not redeemed from the earth. 2nd song - Spiritual redemption of mankind from the earth to those with faith in Jesus. 3rd...