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    When did Jesus receive the Revelation scroll/book?

    Soon is translated "shortly" in the KJV. Comparing Revelation 1:1 with Romans 16:20 "And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen." It seems that shortly can be a long time as I don't believe the bruising of Satan occurred...
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    Why the difference?

    "It is finished" also means "paid in full." Convicts "pay their debt to society." Even in the 1st century, upon release from prison, the prisoner would get a certificate with these words. Jesus paid the sin debt in full on the cross. Hebrews 10: 17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember...
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    Why the difference?

    I never heard that. Thanks for sharing and for your well wishes.
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    Why the difference?

    Thanks for participating. I believe everyone answered the question.
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    Why the difference?

    Jesus took care of sin as a slain lamb. Rev 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth."...
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    Why the difference?

    All have strayed and fallen short of the glory of God because we all have a sin nature. These were given the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit. Thank you.
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    Why the difference?

    Thanks BlessedPeace. The reason for this thread is that some on this board were having trouble believing that the Holy Spirit did not indwell OT saints, that it only came upon them for a time and then left. I was merely trying to present a different way of looking at God's plans, not trying...
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    Why the difference?

    Thanks Randy. Excellent answer. The model for the world had its sins temporarily atoned for by the blood of animals followed by cleansing with water. This foreshadowed the forgiveness of sins by the blood of Christ followed by the filling of the Holy Spirit that would come to Christians. It is...
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    When did Jesus receive the Revelation scroll/book?

    Any thoughts about the timing of Jesus (not John) receiving the Revelation scroll?
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    Why the difference?

    God's people in the OT were told not to mingle, while God's people in the NT are told to go into all the world. What is the reason for the change?
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    When did Jesus receive the Revelation scroll/book?

    I think we all believe Jesus is at the right hand of God. The question is when did Jesus receive the scroll, the moment he ascended to the right hand or at some time in the future? Some are saying Jesus ascended the moment he died, but I am not in agreement with that.
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    When did Jesus receive the Revelation scroll/book?

    I agree that Abraham's bosom was the state of death. I don't know when Jesus went to the Father in heaven. You seem to say that he did as soon as he died. I don't believe that. Jesus may have ascended into heaven after his resurrection 3 days later or it may have been 40 days later as everyone...
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    When did Jesus receive the Revelation scroll/book?

    God made us mortal so that when we sinned, we would not have to go to the lake of fire like the immortal angels who sinned.
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    When did Jesus receive the Revelation scroll/book?

    Who has eaten of the tree of life since sin entered the world? Everyone's body has to die because of sin even though the eternal life of God is already in us. I don't really comprehend a 'spiritual body.' Jesus had one when he rose from the dead. People have some sort of 'tent' or body as...
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    Why is there a new song in heaven?

    I think we are talking about 2 different things. I agree that there were OT believers who knew their Messiah was coming. He had just not come yet.
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    Why is there a new song in heaven?

    Jesus was present in heaven when he received the scroll. I was trying to make the point that this had to be the moment he ascended into heaven. At any other time, Jesus would have already had the scroll. We agree that the cycles are concurrent. I don't understand how you see the second coming...
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    When did Jesus receive the Revelation scroll/book?

    Those in Abraham's bosom already died in the flesh. Once the flesh is dead, it's ok to eat of the tree of life and live forever. They would have gone to the LOF if they of the tree of life without having forgiveness of sin. I wonder if Paradise, the Garden of Eden, sunk into the earth during...
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    When did Old Testament saints receive the Holy Spirit?

    Genesis 41: 15 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I have dreamed a dream, and there is none that can interpret it: and I have heard say of thee, that thou canst understand a dream to interpret it. 16 And Joseph answered Pharaoh, saying, It is not in me: God shall give Pharaoh an answer of peace. In...
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    The Battle of Armageddon

    Although there is a spiritual component to everything, there is also a matching physical component. Israel rejected God - spiritual. As a result, God punished Israel physically for 70 years in Babylon. Israel still largely rejected God and their 70-year punishment was multiplied according to...
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    The Battle of Armageddon

    Rev 20:6 " Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." I am with you on everything except the location of Jesus and his resurrected saints...