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Bs"d In this verse, Ez 28:8 "They shall thrust you down into the Pit, and you shall die the death of the slain in the heart of the seas." grammatically, to who does the word "death" refer? To the "you" or to the "slain in the heart of the seas"?

Bs"d You noticed wrong. I have no time to listen to video's which range from half an hour to more than 2 hours. If you want to make a point post it here, don't refer to youtubes which last very long. Yes, my savior is God: Jews don't reject their savior, but they have only one savior, and...

Bs"d The strongest proof for the servant being the people of Israel is Isaiah 42. This is also claimed by the NT as a messianic prophecy, see Matthew 12:16-21; "And charged them that they should not make him known: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying...

Bs"d I'm normal orthodox, but there is no group that is more strict, so I'm on the most orthodox side. Bs"d In verse 8 the plural points to the ones slain in the sea: "They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of [them that are] slain in the midst of the seas."...

Bs"d Why is Isaiah 53 not read in the synagogue? Christians claim that the Jews skip the reading of Isaiah 53 in the synagogue, because of its christological implications. Let me tell you something about the reading of the prophets in the synagogue. The readings in the synagogue, are about...

Bs"d Israel as the servant of God. "Behold, my servant shall prosper, he shall be exalted and lifted up, and shall be very high." >> As the prophets announce, Israel will be exalted, see Isaiah 60, 61, and 62. "As many were astonished at him -- his appearance was so marred, beyond human...

Bs"d Close, but I think these are more chassidic. But the general idea is good. You don't see many fur hats where I live, but I'm thinking about getting one. But I like to be a bit different, so I'm thinking about this model...

Bs"d I'm not putting the blame for messing up the LXX on Christianity, as you can see in my previous post; they take the blame upon themselves. Yes. I'm in mainstream charedi Judaism. That is about the most strict branch there is. All black hats and black suits. No. But when I did my...

Bs"d I have given you proof for ancient rabbis and the Talmud saying that the suffering servant is Israel. It seems you have overlooked these, so I'll give them again: In the Midrash Rabba on Numbers it is clearly written that the suffering servant is Israel. In the Talmud, finished...

Bs"d I'm not saying you are ignorant, but your knowledge is lacking in some subjects, the LXX being one of them. Who wrote the LXX? Well, the first five books are translated by Jews, all the rest; that is anybody's guess. The Hebrew Torah is transmitted by the Jews in an extreme careful...

Bs"d Mabye with you, but not with me. As I explained above, the Talmud is authoritative when it comes to explaining the law. For the rest it is not taken literal.

Bs"d Since most people cannot handle the truth, that might be the case.

Bs"d Nobody is dying for the sins of others in Isaiah 53. Everybody dies for his own sins.

Bs"d In case you didn't know, the Muslims claim that the suffering servant is Muhammed. If you would be talking to a Muslim about the suffering servant, would you then accept as a proof quotes from the Quran that the suffering servant is Muhammed? Of course not. So why do you think that I...

So if anybody is not convinced about the concept of asmachta, and wants to think that the Talmud says that Isaiah 53 speaks about Moses, or a sick person who has a seminal emission, or about the messiah, then he should read the last words again about how to read the stories in the Talmud which...

Bs"d It is clear you cannot come up with any proof from Isaiah that the suffering servant is the messiah, therefore you can only say: "The rabbis said that he is the messiah!" A little strange that a Christian bases his Christian faith upon the rabbis, wouldn't you think so? Anyway, the...

Bs"d You haven't seen those plural masculine pronouns, because the Christian Bible translations conveniently change them to singular. Here are some more reasons why Isaiah 53 cannot speak about your messiah: “Behold, my servant shall act wisely;” You believe this is JC. You believe JC is...

Bs"d If masculine plural pronouns are used, do you then agree that it cannot be a messianic prophecy? Thanks, same to you.

Bs"d Read the Tanach and you'll see that in Biblical times already there were many Jews following the Ba'al and other idols. That of course does not give any credibility to those idols.

Bs"d Hundreds. those "unauthentic messianic prophecies" are texts from the Tanach which have no bearing on the messiah, and are ripped out of context by Christians, and then labeled as "messianic prophecies fulfilled by JC". Examples are Isaiah 7 and 53. In the authentic messianic...