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I can't speak to heaven not having a ground of some type. Revelation in particular seems to at least imply otherwise as there is a "sea of glass" in the midst of Gods throne with the saints standing on it. You also have Jesus stating that the Father has a house with many mansions, so I wouldn't...

I don't understand the love affair many Christians have for heaven. Its as if they believe their salvation in Jesus depends on it yet Moses and Elijah was revealed to be already there long before Jesus met his fate on the cross. Our focus should be on Jesus Christ, not what our final destination...

Never said that you could lose your salvation, but in the Bible predestination is defined as those he chose according to his will, not according to his foreknowledge of those he knows would choose him.

You say we aren't predestined, but Paul states otherwise. Predestination is supposed to come first in the order of business according to Paul. Whoever God predestined he also called, whoever he called he also justified, and whoever he justified, them he also glorified. I think the confusion is...

Agree'd, but which one comes first, the gospel, or the "calling"? Is the calling the same as those he "predestined"?

Yes, John 12:32 can certainly be seen that way.

Well, as Jesus said, the Father has to actually draw your heart near to him, its not really just us spreading the gospel and the receiver making a choice. Once you put the word of God in them, the Father takes over from there, as he is ultimately the one who does the work of salvation. He's the...

I personally believe the entire space program is absolute balderdash. I seriously doubt they ever went anywhere beyond earths orbit, but that's just me.

:rolleyes:..........I'm right here, I haven't run anywhere. I just don't care about engaging in never ending arguments with the hard headed. Its not my job to persuade you or anyone else of anything.

There are some theistic evolutionists who more or less denies the deity of Jesus as God in the flesh. I know, I had a few run ins with them in live YouTube hangouts in recent years. I would say evolution is doing a damn good job at persuading them into a salvation by their own works. They will...

The curse of death itself and the abode that the dead resided in were cast into the lake of fire, fulfilling the overarching purpose of Jesus Christ's atonement, to destroy sin, and the death that came with it. Yeah, that's basically what I said was it not? He calls everyone, and whether or...

I don't think demons and angels are even the same thing, two different entities.

Yeah, that's why I don't waste my time having lengthy discussions with him. I say what needs to be said and move on.

No, I don't actually. But I think your argument should have some consistency, especially when dealing with creatures like BOL.

:) Ha!!! You should know what I'm on about since you were the one that opened that can of worms to start with. You stated that God wouldn't send children to hell who can't think for themselves. Why? I thought that piece of muscle in your skull profits nothing since it is flesh. Its all about the...

You should know that this is a load of baloney. If his body was "restored" to what it once was, then so is the curse of death. Death has not been swallowed up in victory if this were true. If his crucified body is still dead, then the entire gospel that plainly states otherwise is a lie...

So since God gives us the spirit of truth to make sense of his words, then does that not make God reasonable?? And, if I were given this "spirit", would I still be able to "make sense of it all" if I didn't have a brain that works properly?

Wow, this scripture can in itself be considered as very indicting against evolution that claims life comes from non-life, that something with no breath in it can breathe the breath of life into the creature. I haven't read Habakkuk in quite a while, I guess I should get back to it.

75? Hell, I wouldn't mind dying at 35 or 40 for that matter. I don't care really, as long as I am saved. God has the final say so, but I don't want to be in this world any longer than absolutely necessary. There is nothing more for me to see here.

But according to some Christians, your ability to use the brain God gave you to think and reason for yourself means nothing. Its all about the spirit, the "flesh profits nothing", they often love to quote.