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    Wow, I'm the ONLY member logged in ....

    I could not log on for the last three days or so, problem was on the sites end per my troubleshooter.
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    Job, and the precursor event to the great tribulation.

    BLB as @ewq1938 said. I assumed it was in Strong's as well. Here is the page link: G4239 - praus - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv) (blueletterbible.org)
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    Red Sea

    That is what i thought, the Suez Canal/ gulf as the mouth of the sea. That would be a major blow to worldwide shipping if this happens. Not a fan of the GNB, but I agree with this translation.
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    Job, and the precursor event to the great tribulation.

    I see it as outright war on the church... yes persecution is involved, but outright wars on the church have been increasing throughout history, although we are in a bit of lull right now with Isis in check and the communist largely in a passive state. Remember these are birth pangs. which...
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    Job, and the precursor event to the great tribulation.

    This is a great example, (rocks being thrown at you).... What you are describing is the learning of meekness, a concept not understood by many, for us men we are trained to fight back, it is far harder for us to learn meekness, and took me years and many rocks thrown to learn this whereas for...
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    Job, and the precursor event to the great tribulation.

    Wars on the church were carried out by Saul and the Jewish priesthood right from the get go of the church age. All these seals are the birth pangs like birthpangs they started slow and they only get worse, till the antichrist Kingdom has the church as the enemy and wars against the saints and...
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    Job, and the precursor event to the great tribulation.

    What you are describing is the patient endurance of the saints. I think it is different for men and women in that men are more rational therefore they need their passions awakened, Women in general are more passionate need to have them them tamed... or at least so my experience has shown me? A...
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    Job, and the precursor event to the great tribulation.

    for me there was always a a sense of being filled with the love of God even when others were pressing in on me, and drawing into doubt my faith. I Know and knew he was there with me carrying me. Do you experience this as well? The final step in this trial is the feeling that even God has...
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    Job, and the precursor event to the great tribulation.

    I see the first seal as the Nicolaitans/ false apostles the early church dealt with and has continued to deal with in the way of Popes and false teachers, The usurpers of the authority of Christ as the head of the church.
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    Job, and the precursor event to the great tribulation.

    No one knows who the 24 Elders are. Some say they are the first fruits of the resurrection which resurrected with Christ at his resurrection which is why they are in heaven, which I agree with. (Matthew 27:52-53) My OPINION on this is that these were disciples of Christ who died before the...
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    Job, and the precursor event to the great tribulation.

    As i have said, those first five seals will be accelerated during the great tribulation (the wrath of Satan) and will be worldwide.
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    Job, and the precursor event to the great tribulation.

    Oye vey... You have given your opinion not a fact. What I believe is that the first five seals were opened at the ascension of Christ. The sixth and seventh have yet to opened neither is the scroll opened. The rapture is after the sixth seal, then the seventh seal is opened and the scroll is...
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    Red Sea

    And the LORD shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod. And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from...
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    Red Sea

    What is the passage from Isaiah?
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    Job, and the precursor event to the great tribulation.

    Leave the personal attacks out of your responses, as they are not needed to have a conversation. You cannot prove this with scripture. A seal is not the same as the content of the scroll. A seal can be broken one at a time or all at once and yet the scroll not be opened, this is simple logic I...
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    Job, and the precursor event to the great tribulation.

    loosing the seals and opening the scroll are two different events. (BTW it is Revelation 5:9 not 1:9) Opening the scroll does not happen till after the rapture, I agree, the rapture happens when the sixth seal is loosed which has yet to happen. That is because the mystery of the church age was...
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    Job, and the precursor event to the great tribulation.

    The key words are "man" and "prevailed". When did the man Jesus prevail? before that no man had prevailed.
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    Job, and the precursor event to the great tribulation.

    The scroll is the deed to the earth, not a list of punishments.... Had God wanted to open the scroll could have been opened in the first century, But the mystery of the church age was inserted into the timeline. We are with Paul "born out of due time". (1 Corinthians 15:8) That is because what...
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    Job, and the precursor event to the great tribulation.

    But you can unlock five of the locks and wait to open two of them later. Christ arrived in heaven as the worthy lamb that prevailed and he opened the seals in heaven, but he inserted a mystery between the 5th and sixth seal known as the church age.... when he unlocks the last two The church age...
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    Job, and the precursor event to the great tribulation.

    But you can unlock five of the locks and then wait to unlock the other two correct. If you do a study of the word seal you will see it is rooted in the word "Hedge" as used in the passage from Job, thus a seal is a hedge of protection, to break a seal is to break that hedge of protection.