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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    BTW, I find these discussions go best when you stick to one or two points at a time as opposed to long monologues with multiple points as invariably some points are missed in responding to each point. let's tackle the Gospel of the Kingdom after the same time problem.
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    Job, and the precursor event to the great tribulation.

    The saints are the chosen of God from among the church of the faithful who are called to give their testimony (Martyria), much like Stephen was. This is ongoing throughout the church age. This is what evangelicalism/ Protestantism has wrong they do not understand who the saints are in the first...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Let's begin here.... during this dispensation there is the church, The question is when does the church age end, and does God deal with Israel and the church at the same time? This is known as the "same time problem". Although I do not agree with the exact timeline this video explains this...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Yes, and thank you for that. I am not making a generalization of all pre tribbers, only some. And I have shown ample evidence for the pre wrath rapture here as well.
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    Job, and the precursor event to the great tribulation.

    He is placing the saints in that role as that is their calling, the faithful are spared in the wilderness during the great tribulation. As For History repeating it is not History repeating but the episode with Job is an archetype of what is happening in heaven as seen in Revelation 12:7-12.
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    The example of this are all over this post, so i will confidently say ignorance is bliss.
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    more dishonesty. For example, Paul's writing preceded the writing of the Gospels... see link for chronological order of them... Grace Fellowship Church: Toronto, ON, Canada > New Testament Books in Chronological Order (gfcto.com) Matthew i am sure was familiar by the time he wrote his Gospel...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    honesty. The Only reason i commented here is because some say any view other than the pretrib rapture is of the devil, yet it is the pre trib rapture view that is constantly dishonest and quotes scriptures out of context to prove their point. By explaining away a point that the Olivet discourse...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    When I use my view, revelation sinks up with the olivet discourse and 2 Thessalonians 2. It is a framework, nothing more just like the pretribbers use their own framework to draw their conclusions.
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    This is the typical "explaining away" of the simple language that is presented in the Olivet discourse that I am talking about that puts the rapture after the great tribulation.
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    Job, and the precursor event to the great tribulation.

    That's all part of the fiery trial, and you are overcoming. Just Remember "HE is being glorified in His saints". The devil is in heaven accusing us that we have had the hedge of protection and God has removed that protection from some in the church that they may be a testimony for the blood of...
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    hey Canada here is a good one for you.

    in light of the trucker protest, this guy hits the nail on the head.
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    Job, and the precursor event to the great tribulation.

    And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Did Jesus not know about the church and the rapture when he gave the Olivet discourse?
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    John was shown seven different visions, he merely recorded them as he was shown them. Like a painting painted in front of Him, first the broad background strokes, then each getting more detailed and in focus.
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    Which kind of FAITH regarding JESUS do you have?

    Repentance is key to the sanctification of the Spirit, to not teach this is to not be sanctified in the Spirit which is the point of my last comment. So You are doing exactly what i said, teaching the believer to take the gift given them and hiding it in a napkin. You in fact are keeping...
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    Which kind of FAITH regarding JESUS do you have?

    All you are doing is teaching them to be least in the kingdom of God. To not walk in the Spirit and to not be sanctified in the Spirit and to not produce the fruit of the Spirit because of a fear of "legalism". Is Legalism a problem? Yes, but causing them to fear legalism is not the way. This is...
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    "Farts And Poop" Didn't Stink In The Garden of Eden!?

    Ha, Ha! A cow farmer I know comes into where I work and always has the smell of manure on his presence. He says, "that is the smell of money". So one man's excrement is another man's treasure, when you make most of the excrement you are dealt with.
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    Which kind of FAITH regarding JESUS do you have?

    Luke 19:11-27 Salvation is a free gift (Pound Talent), What you do with that Gift determines your place in the Kingdom. What you are doing is telling everyone to hide it in a napkin. (verse 20)
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    What it means is that the visions John was shown from the time John Wrote revelation in 90AD involved some events that were past, some present, and future. Revelation to me is seven distinct visions, with different start points some in the Past like the seals and the church ages. No Need to...