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You can quibble all you want about words that's all you're doing. Adam lost eternal life for himself and his offspring when he sinned.

I don't believe you know the implications of the Only Begotten Son of God having a pre-human existence. Man begets by procreation, God begets by creating. In the beginning The Word, who is the Only Begotten Son of God was with God. John 1:1 So when the scriptures say, the Word became flesh at...

Then you really don't know the meaning of words. The word, "forever" means for all eternity. So let's not quibble over words.

First of all God creates and man procreates The apostle John repeatedly describes the Lord Jesus Christ as the only-begotten Son of God. (Joh 1:14; 3:16, 18; 1Jo 4:9) Yet this is not in reference to his human birth or to him as just the man Jesus. As the Loʹgos, or Word, “this one was in the...

Well no matter how much you say it's not so. Genesis 2:16,17 proves that God created Adam to live forever and the only way that wouldn't happen is if he disobeyed God concerning the command about the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 2:16,17 was a test yes, it shows that obedience has always been a requirement to be a faithful servant of God and continue having life for eternity in paradise, so I don't believe Eternal life and immortality to be the same. A person can lose the prospect of living for eternity by dying...

BARNEY said: Which obviously means death wasn't something that God wanted to happen, doesn't it?[/Quote\] Tong 2020 said: Not quite and not really what is obviously significant with regards the subject issue of this exchanges. What is relevantly significantly obvious is that Adam is not...

I'm going to disagree. I believe freewill to be able to make our own choices. I don't think God or anyone else is making our choices for us. I believe we can make our choices.

Ok what does Genesis 2:17 mean then? It seems to me that God gave Adam a command that God wanted him to obey. Which means it wasn't Gods will that Adam die. Which obviously means death wasn't something that God wanted to happen, doesn't it? Which means Adam was capable of obeying that command...

There is only one command God gave Adam that if he disobeyed he would die which is at Genesis 2:17 God said to Adam not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and Evil because if he did he would die. So I can see from the scriptures that the only reason death is in existence concerning...

God didn't create Adam for him to live for a limited time then die. God told Adam that only if he ate of the forbidden fruit he would die. So it wasn't God will for Adam to die. The only reason Adam would die is if he ate of the forbidden fruit. But Adam did eat of the forbidden Fruit and so yes...

What I'm saying and will continue to say, you and those who say Jesus came as a God-Man, you're saying he came as more than human. The first man Adam was a human not a God-man, so either you believe Jesus came as a human or you believe he came as more than human.

You're obviously ignoring the fact that Judas betrayed Jesus when he knew who Jesus was but still willingly and knowingly betrayed him. If you honestly don't know what that means concerning Judas, that he never repented of his deliberate sin. The scriptures call Judas, "the son of...

Kermis said: It is not a question of what the translators did, the Truth is that the Word of God used the specific Greek words ἐγὼ εἰμί (ego eimi) in Exodus 3:14, John 8:28, and John 8:58 which translates to English as “I am”. If you believe that Jesus is not the I AM, then that is to your own...

Just as judas knowingly and willingly betrayed Jesus the first man Adam knowingly and willingly betrayed the True God.

Adam knowingly and willingly sinned. He wasn't deceived. Doesn't your Bible teach you that Adam wasn't deceived. Also as I said and will continue to Jesus Christ came as the equal human the first Adam was before he sinned. The first Adam wasn't a God-Man so neither was Jesus Christ. Your...

Actually that's not consistent with my reasoning but if that's what you want to believe go for

You are wrong because before God created mankind he loved us. We can't love God if we don't exist yet. In post # 379 where you first said, "People who have love for him are those who God had loved first.” I was talking about those who are faithful to God are those who love God. Now we know...

Tong2020 said: People who have love for him are those who God had loved first.[/Quote\] This isn't true, God loved us before we had love for him, because God loved the world of mankind before the world of mankind even came into existence. You see God loved life so much he wanted to share that...

First of all this verse in John 1:1 was originally written in Greek. So the first time the word, "Theos(God)" is used in that Scripture the word, "the" comes before it, showing that the Word was with the God, so the first part of John 1:1 "In the beginning was the word, and the Word was with the...