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  1. J

    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Because his baptism did not give the gift of the (indwelling) Holy Spirit. That baptism was presented by Peter (and the other apostles) at Pentecost.
  2. J

    Understanding : Born of Water vs Born AGAIN

    You rail against "water cults". You and so many others are "amniotic cults". Obviously the water in the John 3 passage has nothing to do with amniotic fluid. Jesus would not be so stupid to make entering the kingdom of God conditioned upon being physically born, a condition that would be met...
  3. J

    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Baptism in water is baptism in (of, with) the Holy Spirit. The gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38) is baptism of the Holy Spirit. Baptism (of the repentant believer) in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins and the receipt of the Holy Spirit is regeneration. That is being born...
  4. J

    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Wrong, John's baptism was for the forgiveness of sins. Mar 1:4 John appeared, baptizing in the wilderness and proclaiming a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. Luk 3:3 And he went into all the region around the Jordan, proclaiming a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of...
  5. J

    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    That is not correct. I do not agree with that. I think that water baptism has everything to do with man's entrance into the Kingdom of God. Water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is the specific instant in time in the life of the repentant believer when God forgives his sins and gives him...
  6. J

    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    I firmly believe that the washing of water by the word is speaking of water baptism. The word "washing" is from the Greek word λουτρόν [loutron]. That is the same word that Paul used to describe his own baptism as washing away sins. It is also the same word used by Paul in Titus 3:5 with the...
  7. J

    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    You are reading into that passage much more than it actually says. Prisoners of disobedience is speaking about one's relationship to God relative to the law. We know that if one were to disobey even one law once, he becomes that prisoner of disobedience; that is, he becomes a sinner (James...
  8. J

    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Then why would you think Jesus even mentioned water? Obviously Jesus is not talking about natural birth and the water He is talking about in John 3 has absolutely nothing to do with natural birth. Do you really think Jesus would make natural birth a condition for being born again; a condition...
  9. J

    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Do you know what ludicrous means? And no, born of physical water is not pointing to physical in any sense whatever. Born of water and Spirit is all about spiritual rebirth. Jesus was speaking only about spiritual rebirth. There is no such thing as being reborn physically.
  10. J

    Seeing Salvation (again).

    That wasn't me. I believe that born of water has nothing whatsoever to do with physical birth. I believe that is a really stupid argument. It is not about what being baptized in water is capable of doing. It is about what God can do when the repentant believer is baptized in water.
  11. J

    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Now I have not said that. I firmly believe that when Jesus said born of water and Spirit, He meant actual physical water. It is the water of baptism.
  12. J

    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    That is your measure of truth? Absolutely nonsense.
  13. J

    Seeing Salvation (again).

    No, I would not agree the two together "water and spirit" is saying Gospel and Spirit or Word and Spirit? I think Jesus said "water and Spirit" and meant "water and Spirit". Among other things, being born again is the act of having sins forgiven. That is one essential feature of being born...
  14. J

    The false doctrine of the immortality of the soul.

    Sorry Hobie, but you are wrong. Ecc 12:7 and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it. Perhaps I will return to post about the intermediate state following physical death and before the resurrection. I will just make the point here that Lazarus was...
  15. J

    The false doctrine of the immortality of the soul.

    What are you talking about? I never said anything about already having it of one's self. The whole passage of 1 Corinthians 15 is speaking about the resurrection of the saved. Paul begins that chapter with, 1Co 15:1 Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which...
  16. J

    Seeing Salvation (again).

    The idea that born of water is a reference to physical birth is simply ludicrous. No such euphemism existed in biblical times and no such euphemism has existed since. Jesus didn't say born of water and born of the Spirit. He said born of water and Spirit. And He didn't say born again of...
  17. J

    The false doctrine of the immortality of the soul.

    There is a fine distinction between the soul and the spirit. The soul, strictly speaking, is a living being. All the animals are living beings, they are living souls. The human, however, additionally has a spirit as well as a body. The confusion can come because when the scriptures are...
  18. J

    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    It doesn't say that anywhere. You just have your knickers in a wad not wanting to accept the biblical purpose of water baptism. You and Zwingli.
  19. J

    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    No, it is not. The Greek word "eis" does not mean "because of". From Strong's Greek dictionary: G1519 εἰς eis ice A primary preposition; to, unto or into (indicating the point reached or entered), of place, time, or (figuratively) purpose (result, etc.); also in adverbial phrases.: -...
  20. J

    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    But it says in verse 38 that Peter told those listening to him that they should repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of their sins and that they would receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. He is telling them that they should baptized unto i.e., in order to get, the forgiveness of their...