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The one who sees the truth!

There is more twisting and turning going on here than what takes place in the blacksmith shop! "But I am afraid, lest as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds should be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ." 2 Cor. 11:3. If Paul's concern was the...

No, "at this point" by claiming a "logical fallacy" into the discussion is merely dodging the facts. My experience has been with hundreds of people, and my wife's experience has been the same. 120 years of combined experience is admittedly a small slice of society, but it is undeniably and...

"And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world;" Rev. 12:9. The inquiry was, what do you think happened in the Garden? Genesis tells us that Eve was deceived by the serpent! But some apparently believe that this was...

My point was that the people perceived these as being men, not angels. They did not think that they were sexual objects because it was normal to have sexual relations with angels.

Yep! God said it, I believe it! That settles it! The irony is that you want the narrative in Genesis to be authoritative, but when it does not say what you want it to, you insert your own fictions to arrive at your pre-determined conclusion, and then question other people's honesty in handling...

I am not impressed. To suggest that I do not have "true Christianity" because I do no buy into manmade fictions and useless myths that the serpent and Eve had sex, when the Bible NEVER says any such thing, is the foundation in which cults and false teachers build their faith upon.

Notice that they said "men", not angels. Also, note that the attempted rape never happened.

I have spoken with many people, and your lack of experience does not void mine.

But mankind is a race, angels are individual creations. Jesus atoned for the race, but there is no offer of atonement for disobedient angels.

But which "Mark" are they speaking of? :)

The fact is, most people would reject freedom from sin in favor of any doctrine that would justify salvation "in" sin. This is not a fallacy, but an observable fact.

I didn't state anything as to who these people were. The question I would ask is; What do we get from the results of arriving at Angels? Would the outcome of saying that the "Sons of God' in this passage were angels really matter? I do not know of any practical purpose or doctrine that would...

Angels are not sexual beings. They do not re-produce and they are not a "Race", but individual creations. Having some imaginary rape of Eve would have no more effect than a dog mating with a cat. Such a suggestion is utter nonsense.

Christian Perfection The doctrine of Christian Perfection is badly misunderstood. Man cannot be a perfect God; nor do as perfectly as God; neither be a perfect angel, nor as perfect as Adam was before the Fall. No one is perfect in knowledge or has physical perfection; no one is perfect before...

John Wesley never taught "Sinless perfection," but even in his day, his Calvinist opponents through willful dishonesty or ignorance, muddied him with smears and misrepresentations of what he taught. I have read many critique's of Wesley and Perfection written throughout the years and I have...

Because you cannot name a single person or movement in history that ever taught such a thing! It is the strawman of Calvinism and antinomians that want their "sin-and-win" theology! You need to stop reading what Calvinist teach that Wesley said and read him for yourself.

So, tell me of a single person in history that claimed absolute perfection. This challenge is a strawman that no one has ever claimed or taught as far as I know.

Many in Scripture are said to be perfect (not mature) and were so before they died.

Mature, while possible, is untenable in most passages. Are you "mature"? How do you know you are "mature"? Are there other's that are more "mature"? If they are, how can you say that you are "mature"?