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  1. Phoneman777

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    The Earth will be a trash heap because Isaiah 24 and Jeremiah 4 and 25 and 2 Peter 3:10 say so. The saints which resurrected at the time of the Crucifixion were "many", not "all". The resurrection is "at the Last Trump".
  2. Phoneman777

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    The stones that were one upon another were not thrown down?
  3. Phoneman777

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    There's a difference between when the Bible says "MANY of the bodies of the saints" and when you imply "ALL of the bodies of the saints", right?
  4. Phoneman777

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    I showed you that Jesus answered "when shall these things be?" with details which are EASILY seen fulfilled in 70 A.D., but also have end time fulfillment, as well. The key is to discerning which elements of Matthew 24 apply to where in history - obviously the part about "as the lightning...
  5. Phoneman777

    Carnal Hypocrisy of Sabbath Commanders

    I know most don't consider the Sabbath relevant, and it's certainly understandable, seeing that's the one commandment most churches don't preach. However, I believe the Sabbath is going to take center state regarding the fulfillment of end times prophecy, so I would be remiss if I didn't share...
  6. Phoneman777

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    It is a truth that Noah went "through" the Flood as an example -- as well as the others given such as Lion's dens, Fiery furnaces, etc. -- that God is well able to protect us "through" the tribulation, and I think it's a massive stretch of the imagination to say Noah was lifted "above" the Flood...
  7. Phoneman777

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Not when He Himself says He's not going to gather them back after punitively scattering them unless they first repent.
  8. Phoneman777

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Did you find a case in Scripture where God disregarded His own imposed condition and gathered Israel into the land without them repenting? Did God impose some unknown condition on the U.S. like He imposed on Israel before He'd gather them after they'd been punitively scattered? You mean...
  9. Phoneman777

    Carnal Hypocrisy of Sabbath Commanders

    So, you can't dispute the fact that Moses angered Pharoah by making the Israelites "shabbat" which is LONG before Exodus 16. Got it. If it was commanded prior to Sinai, then it was a law prior to Sinai. Also, the Sabbath was not blessed at Sinai, but in Eden, because when God blesses a thing...
  10. Phoneman777

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    The issue is not whether I or anyone else keep or break God's commandments. JESUS kept them and says we are to "walk as He walked". Are YOU keeping God's commandments? Are you a "Just Man" or a "Presumptuous Man"?
  11. Phoneman777

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    The "sabbath" of Colossians ain't talking about the weekly Sabbath because it's not a shadow of anything. A "shadow of heavenly things" points to something in the Plan of Salvation Jesus would do for us to save us, understand? Do I have to repeat that? The following "shadows" point to just...
  12. Phoneman777

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Anyone who breaks the Sabbath and knows they ought to be keeping it doesn't have Jesus in their heart. The time will soon arrive when God's law will take center stage on the world theatre, and all will be laid bare then.
  13. Phoneman777

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    No one claims the Bible explicitly says the Mark is Sunday sacredness - we say its implicit, so please stop with this ridiculous strawman, OK? The Bible is clear the Mark has something to do with breaking God's commandments - and nothing to do with a silly "chip" that even a fool would gladly...
  14. Phoneman777

    Carnal Hypocrisy of Sabbath Commanders

    No, what you're arguing is false. The Sabbath wasn't "made" in Exodus 16. Pharaoh said, "Behold, the people of the land are many, and you make them "rest" (Hebrew: "shabbat") which was well before Exodus 16. Also, when Exodus 20 says the Sabbath day was "blessed", that blessing could only have...
  15. Phoneman777

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Friend, the answer to this lies in recognizing the difference between the "Just Man" and the "Presumptuous Man". The Just Man sometimes slips and falls down into the pit of sin, but once there he cries out to Jesus Who then lifts him up, wipes him down, and sets him back on the Path of the...
  16. Phoneman777

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    While I disagree with him, it's great that SOME PEOPLE recognize the problem with chopping off the entire last week and sending it down to the end of time when the nails of the Cross have also nailed down the 70th Week in the annals of history.
  17. Phoneman777

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Course it will. The two resurrections are separated by the millennium, and during that time, Isaiah 24 will be fulfilled, Jeremiah 4 and 25 which speak of global destruction will be fulfilled, 2 Peter 3:10 will be fulfilled, all those verses which speak of global destruction.
  18. Phoneman777

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Before I move on to another point, I like to finish the one on the table. Would you agree that the context of "not one stone shall be left upon another" is clearly seen to be "that shall not be thrown down"? There's no other way to look at it, and thus, Jesus' prediction about the temple stones...
  19. Phoneman777

    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    Jesus says the saints don't rise and go to heaven until the "voice of the Son of God" at the Second Coming. They are resting in their graves, awaiting the Resurrection of the Just.