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when would you say we are placed in Christ?

Mans water baptism. We are baptized into Christ the moment we believed

Sins of the flesh is when the believer gives their mind to the body. To do this you must first take the mind from Christ in you. So basically we are looking at the greatest love affair that mankind can have, it is with tge Christ in you, that is your keeper because you are free to live anyway...

The flesh and blood body is necessary to earth living. I know your talking about fleshly acts or sins of the flesh. So body is not a bad thing, it was designed and capable to contain Christ, another living in us. That's why paul use's the terminology "Christ in you." The two have become one by...

You know man is always right in his own eyes Sound doctrine will get harder and harder to come by. I love the modern age of technology, we really get to see where people are at in their understanding and how the lord has fixed it where no man can know on their own. The more the world heats up...

1 Corinthians 1:30, 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: There are those with the mind-set in Christianity; Christ is made unto us these things if I can figure out how to make them work. A better name...

What about the double minded don't that count :-)

There are those in Christianity that believe Jesus had a sin nature because He had a human body. Nature comes from a progenitor, someone able to reproduce. Jesus had the nature of His Father, born of a virgin without any help of a human father. We know Jesus never sinned because sin comes from...

It's closer to 8 billion :-)

Yea I get the preacher thing and not buying into man's idea's, that I agree. Just because they have God as an angry God doesn't change the absulutes of scripture. When I have talked with some exchristian's as they claim themselves, they throw everything out because man's translation. You can't...

Adams situation was alot different than ours. Adam did have the law, not as in the 10 commandments but the command "do not eat." That is what he disobeyed and recieved a new knowledge.

Lol ok you win, I concede :-)

So your not taking the tree into the equation. If not; Adam disobeyed but had no sin before that? I have a good buddy that spiritualizes everything which we disagree, is that where you are going with this?

Haha yep ok, so an allegorical trek through the scriptures, got it.

Ok fair enough I'll ask this, so sinners were made even before sin entered? Your thoughts

Byrd how do you calculate what happened in the garden?

How are sinners made. We believe that may come about because they sin and are not acceptable to the world. The world takes care of it's own, if you do everything right you are accepted by society. If you mess up then society has in place a system that punishes you. That is the knowledge of good...

Have you ever heard someone say "I must die to that." The good news is "your already dead to it." When Christ died on the cross, You died with him, Romans 6:2-3 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him...

Ephesians 4:18, 18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: Paul speaks about another reason for vanity of the mind "because of the blindness of their heart." Verse 18 is really...