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  1. Phoneman777

    Only 2 Comings by Lord Jesus, Not 3

    Peter, Isaiah, Jeremiah, etc. I think it's you who've missed something. Isaiah says the Lord's going to make the Earth empty because the people transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, and broke the everlasting covenant - which must refer to the NEW COVENANT since the OC waxed old and...
  2. Phoneman777

    A Question About The Death and Resurrection of Christ

    Is it just me, or do we all get a sense of satisfaction when Jesus helps us push the old man of sin back down in the grave, when we return good for evil? Why, just yesterday the devil came at me and I just knew I'd die if I didn't give in to him, but I literally cried out for Jesus for help...
  3. Phoneman777

    A Question About The Death and Resurrection of Christ

    Very good analysis...the sin nature remains there FOR US TO FIGHT AGAINST because we can live 50 years serving Jesus with all our heart and all someone has to do is cut us off on the way home from work, and immediately the old man of sin wants to resurrect and give the other driver what for LOL...
  4. Phoneman777

    A Question About The Death and Resurrection of Christ

    Simple: The guilt of humanity was laid upon Him so that "He Who knew no sin became sin for us", that He might suffer the penalty that was ours for us - total separation from His Father followed by an eternal extinction of being (death). Note: His humanity passed out of existence only, of course...
  5. Phoneman777

    Only 2 Comings by Lord Jesus, Not 3

    Do this: Go to work on Monday, tell your boss your taking your lunch hour at noon, come back at 5:00 to punch out for the day, and when he asks why you didn't come back after an hour, tell him, "Oh boss, didn't you get the memo? There's a 4 hour 'gap' between 12:59 and 1:00." If he says no...
  6. Phoneman777

    Only 2 Comings by Lord Jesus, Not 3

    Never said He's turn the Earth into an asteroid belt...but the Bible depicts a completely uninhabited world at the Second Coming when Jesus comes as a thief...no atmosphere, no elements, no works therein...and no people when all the wicked drop dead "at the brightness of His coming." Not going...
  7. Phoneman777

    Only 2 Comings by Lord Jesus, Not 3

    It's hermeneutics like this that drive me crazy. "...from the going forth of the commandment...unto Messiah the Prince..." The text is clear: the 483 years begin with the decree (of Artaxerxes) and ended with the Prince Jesus being "messiah-ed" aka "anointed" in baptism in 27 A.D., not...
  8. Phoneman777

    Did Jesus Go To Hell?

    You do realize Luke 16 is a parable, found in the middle of a bunch of other parables, which contains things that violate other texts of Scripture if it's not a parable, right? Such as: Genesis 2:7 KJV says the Living Soul comes into existence as a consequence of the union of the Body and the...
  9. Phoneman777

    Did Jesus Go To Hell?

    God's still on the throne, so yes!
  10. Phoneman777

    Did Jesus Go To Hell?

    Elijah never died, so there's no question it was he in his glorified body, which he no doubt recieved when he was taken up to heaven, appearing to Jesus, right or wrong? There was a "dispute" about the body of Moses, right? Why would Satan care about a dead body that he can't possess, tempt...
  11. Phoneman777

    Only 2 Comings by Lord Jesus, Not 3

    We have to be consistent with our symbolism. We can't claim the 70 Weeks of Daniel 9 are symbolic time periods, but then head over to Revelation and insist that the 1,260 days, 42 months, 3 1/2 years, and time/times/half a time are literal, especially when dealing with a book that John plainly...
  12. Phoneman777

    Did Jesus Go To Hell?

    No commas in the originals, so "today" is either modifying the verb that precedes or follows. It's modifying the preceding "I say" and not the preceding "will be" because the one makes sense, while the other causes total confusion because Jesus said on Sunday He hadn't been to paradise (more on...
  13. Phoneman777

    Did Jesus Go To Hell?

    Hi, there's actually grave implications for what we believe happens to our loved ones. If we think there is consciousness in death, then we may be opening ourselves to deception by what we think are "spirits of our loved ones" appearing to us and telling us things. As one who knows beyond any...
  14. Phoneman777

    Did Jesus Go To Hell?

    To which "hell" do you refer? If you mean, "the grave" or "the place of the dead" where the man Jesus did "sleep the sleep of death", though His divinity did not die, of course. If you mean "hell" as in the "fiery, burning, blazing" hell of "gehenna", that isn't burning yet: "...and to reserve...
  15. Phoneman777

    Only 2 Comings by Lord Jesus, Not 3

    How in the world can "order" and "time" melt with fervent heat? In any case, the passing away of the heavens, the melting of the elements, the Earth and the works therein burned up will leave a totally uninhabitable Earth because the prophecies clearly predict an destroyed, empty, dark...
  16. Phoneman777

    Only 2 Comings by Lord Jesus, Not 3

    There's only three heavens that God's Bible knows about: the place where His throne is, the starry heavens, and the "birds of the heavens". Now, we know Peter ain't talking about the starry heavens passing away, nor could he possibly be talking about God's heavenly courts...which leaves only...
  17. Phoneman777

    Only 2 Comings by Lord Jesus, Not 3

    Make no mistake, God's Word isn't Jesuit, and Jesuit "Left Behind" Futurism isn't God's Word. Noah came out of the Ark to a breathable atmosphere and a planet with potable water and nutrient dense earth for growing food. Are you seriously going to argue that what is depicted in 2 Peter chapter...
  18. Phoneman777

    Only 2 Comings by Lord Jesus, Not 3

    I can't subscribe to any interpretation of Scripture, ESPECIALLY JESUIT INTERPRETATIONS, which don't account for the period of destruction and uninhabited Earth. The only one that accounts for it is the one I presented, which is fully substantiated by Scripture and does not require that we...
  19. Phoneman777

    Only 2 Comings by Lord Jesus, Not 3

    Thanks for the feedback.
  20. Phoneman777

    Only 2 Comings by Lord Jesus, Not 3

    Preterism claims all prophecies have been fulfilled...it there any evidence to show that at some point in the past Jesus shook the Earth and set everything on fire and destroyed the wicked at the brightness of His coming and resurrected millions of faithful dead saints and levitated them and the...