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    Passover vs Eucharist

    Is it really the opposite? Or just a different perspective? Should we assume that we learned nothing new after a certain stage of church history?
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Sure he did. He showed wrath to people who had been given the very oracles of God and yet failed both in teaching others correctly about God's nature and in accepting that he was the long-awaited Messiah. That is just wrath. If he was merely wrathful at people for being what they would born to...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    This is just talking in circles. If God is punishing people for their sin, while giving them no other option, then is that not God actually punishing them for what they were born to do? In fact, you have already claimed some are born only to be fleshly, that is, sinful. If God offers all...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    “Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life. 18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. 19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    This has nothing to do with infants. Where are you getting that from what Paul says about being born of flesh or the spirit? We don't decide to be physically born. But we must believe to be born again. Or as Jesus says: " flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit." In...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    You are setting up some kind of strawman argument here, it seems. Why would I question what God has done in the past? God is perfectly just. What he did was obviously in response to what he knew men would do. He gave men plenty of time to repent before the flood, so that is not an issue. I'm not...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    If that were true, you would have a catch 22 situation where no one could be saved. Jesus said the one who seeks will find. He didn't lay any conditions on it and say, that doesn't apply is you happen to have been born a Muslim or a buddist. Do you know that God is revealing himself to Muslims...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    The very fact that man has done these things says nothing about his ability to seek God. Yes, man is sinful and yes, man can seek God and be cleansed. Otherwise, you have an unjust God who is punishing people for something they can't help. If I punished my child for an involuntary action, you...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    We are condemned to physical death because of the world now being under the curse. We are all condemned to spiritual death because we all sin. But, we are also all made alive through Christ, which gives all the opportunity to be raised to life.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now.But what does Scripture say? "Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son." (Galations 4)...
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    the biggest problem: sex.

    Like everything else God gave us, sex isn't the problem. Distortion of God's will for sex is the problem. This is true with almost every sin if you think about it.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Then you are saying what you claimed you did not say, that God preordained all of man's sin?
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    What does that tell us? Simply that God does the work of salvation and not us. It says nothing about us being incapable of seeking after salvation. Obviously, the term "slave" is used figurately by Paul to refer to those who are lost in sin, and also he says we can be a slave to Christ. But he...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Well, you are just wrong. People can and do sincerely seek God. Noah was a righteous man. Cornelius was a Roman, who searched for the true God before his conversion. I can find other Biblical examples if you wish. No, not on their own, but as I said before, you seem to think God is hiding and...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    So, you are taking "All men die" as both spiritual and physical and yet taking "In Christ all men live" as only the physical resurrection?
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Are you of the opinion that everyone in the nation of Israel will be saved? Because that's what it sounds like you are saying. I don't believe that is what Paul meant by all Israel being saved, but that he meant all the become grafted in through accepting Christ, and all Jews who accept Christ...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    It should be obvious by now. It's the main topic of this thread. "Bringing it up?" It's at the center of this whole discussion. What is hard to understand about the concept that if some are born destined to be chosen for salvation, then all the rest are born destined for damnation?
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    Passover vs Eucharist

    I already do come to the wedding feast. Shalom to you as well.
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    Passover vs Eucharist

    No, I doubt you do. Of course his real presence is there. Jesus also said he was the door, but I don't believe he meant he was made of wood and steel, do you? He's speaking in spiritual terms, not physical terms. Spiritually we are partaking of Christ. I loved the first paragraph quote of...
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    Passover vs Eucharist

    Just to clarify, I don't believe that taking Communion is necessary for salvation. I believe it should be part of being the church.