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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Absolutely he gave them a lot of time and opportunities.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Which Israel are you talking about here? We are Israel if we are in Christ. Of course God does what he pleases. That's far different than saying God's will is always done on Earth.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Why wouldn't I believe that? But if you are taking the calvinist view on Assyria being used by God, that's another thing. They would say God didn't allow the free will actions, (both of Israelites and the Assyrians) but ordained them himself so that they had to happen. Just another example of...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Of course, I believe God determined beforehand that Jesus would die for the sins of the world. It doesn't say he determined that they would do it. " they carried out what Your hand and will had decided beforehand would happen." This is in the context of a prayer. They are praising God for...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    It starts with God in the sense that God came up with the plan of salvation, and convicts us first... but God isn't dragging anyone in by thier hair. We have to choose to respond. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Why are you limiting God? Does he only care for certain people groups? When we sung "God loves all the children of the world" where we actually lying? Acts17:27 27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us...
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    Passover vs Eucharist

    I don't think John 6 has anything to do with the Eucharist per say... He's contrasting physical bread with the spiritual bread of partaking of Christ, which is first and foremost salvation. It's also abiding in Christ which certainly includes Koinonía, that is communion, with him and fellow...
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    Passover vs Eucharist

    Of course it was and is a symbol. Now if you mean to say only that Christ is present in the Eucharist I won't argue. But we probably mean different things by that. His presence doesn't require the wine to be actual blood or the bread actual flesh.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    In Adam all die means all men sin and also die physically. In Christ all are made alive means all are given atonement for their sins, convicted of thier sin and offered eternal life. Otherwise, you would have to be a universalist to believe it means all are saved.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    If you believe it's about individual salvation there's no way to escape that conclusion... No matter how much you dance around it.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    I've read Ezekiel. I read the whole Bible.. you don't need to tell me what I already know. God used Israel in spite of their rebellion to bring salvation to the world, which brings glory to him. We already covered this in Romans. God used Israel, in spite of their disobedience, to evangelize the...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    I can say what I already just said, that God foresees evil that man will do and uses it for good, but he doesn't ordain evil.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Look, right here, pay attention. You just claimed right here that God ordained evil, something you just, in the same post no less, said that you did not say. ( Beating my head against the wall)
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Good grief. What do you think salvation is? It starts with chosing God over Satan.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    "He who seeks will find, applies to all. Why do you believe God is hiding himself from most people? Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye. shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh. findeth; and to him that knocketh it...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    First, the second part of the verse confirms universal atonement and prevenient grace. Second, the first part means everyone sins, just as Adam did.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    So, now you are telling me that Romans 9 is not about individuals' salvation? I'm glad you've seen the light.
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    I'm talking about you saying God has two wills. Something about a prescriptive will and some other kind of will. All nonsense, of course. You say this and then you go right on and claim that God ordained evil and then you will claim you don't know what I'm talking about when I say God cannot...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    Everyone means everyone. If your preacher says in front of a Gentile congregation that Christ died for everyone, does that somehow exclude all the Jews? That would be a silly conclusion. How does this answer my question." And you didn't answer my question. Do those passed by have another...
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    Saved Or Predestined ???

    But you read Romans 9 that way. Again, if someone is not irresistibly saved, as you imply is always the case, they are by default irresistibly damned. If that's the case, what need would there be for God to harden them?