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yes, but lets agree with Peter that it happens at the Rapture, when the Lord comes "as a thief in the night", right? Nothing going on down here afterward..no 7 year trib..no Arab/Israel covenant...which means the Second Coming and the Rapture must take place at the same time.

Yep, I feel exactly that way sometimes, but please know that I love ya, CI!

Actually, they mostly ordered the State to conduct such things, though church members like the Jesuits were responsible for a lot of bloodshed.

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Dave, is it true that a sinner being led by God to the Cross where repentance may be found is still a sinner while he is yet being led? You know it's true. And if Calvinism cannot make room for this truth, for the love of God, abandon it and follow truth!

Funny, when my boss told me "to you we granted two weeks vacation" none of my coworkers complained about suddenly losing their 2 weeks. Like I said, you reasoning is totally subjective. No, it is YOU who are demanding that "because these aren't mentioned, they don't get none" when so many other...

Until you can acknowledge the diff between criticism of one's philosophy and criticism of his character, I'm not wasting any more time with you, Laish. BTW, I don't care what some leftist taught you in some school, upright character is based on whether you love God and your fellow man or not...

Sure, suffering is redemptive - God allows the consequences of our mistakes to work on us. "Some people never look up until they're flat on their back, and others never get on their knees until the load gets to heavy to carry." But if at some point we don't see the error of our ways so that...

You spelled "Bible" wrong, as in straight from the Bible.

yes, Peter says the entire thing will be set on fire and the atmosphere will dissolve. Aspen will finally be proven right about his looney Climate Change ideas because the climate will def change then LOL

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Millions of persecuted and murdered saints would disagree about what you call "nonsense" , but you're probably a Jesuit or a sympathizer...no different than the Moroccan sweethearts who found out too late their sympathies were mislaid.

Most of us know about the prophecy Daniel was shown in chapter 8 and that he understood all of it as it was explained to him: the ram, the two horns, the goat, the notable horn, the four horns, the little horn, etc. - EXCEPT there was a portion that so confused and blew his mind that he...

Oh, no, another one who thinks philosophy defines one's character.

You don't understand the difference between criticism of one's philosophy and his character, do you? When emotion, not reason, is in the driver's seat, such inability is to be expected. I'll bet Trump isn't your President either, right?

I tolerate a lot from people, but I draw the line at willfully ignorant accusations. I'm comparing the philosophies of Calvinists and Luciferians, not their individuals themselves, comprendo?

You mean the God Who died for our sins without which no man could be saved? The same "consuming fire" God that offers us the same fireproof clothes the rest of His cosmic creatures wear - that being sinless characters? I think you're confusing Him with the god of "exclusivity religions" like...

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Lucifer once appeared to Helena Petrovna Blavatsky and Alice A. Bailey as "Dwal Kuhl the Tibetan master" and convinced them of the "truths" which became the charter for so many organizations like their Theosophical Society - that only those Lucifer selects for "illumination" will receive eternal...

Dave, condemning Free Will because the one using it has no love for God is like condemning the .50 cal bullet because the idiot sniper forgot to pack his scope. BTW, God's revelation to us about the reward for choosing right and the consequences of choosing wrong makes Him no more a bully than...