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You didn't answer the question. Who are these liberals who believe we still sin? I would have a hard time calling Southern Baptists, for example, liberal in their theology.

Ok I didn't read all the posts on this. I think there's being prepared which is good, and being paranoid which isn't. I live in the woods and have quite a few survival skills. But if push comes to shove, I hope to use those skills to help my friends, relatives and neighbors, not just myself.

me? Plan? ha no, i dont plan. planning is for adults who know stuff and do stuff i chase birds, mostly. both kinds. ya, that helped anyway, "plan to live forever?" i dunno, spirit returns to Yah anyway, may amt to the same thing? moight moot the other um...ya. DMA stuff? Dunno... feeling cute...

Who are the liberals? Democrats? :)

It's both within believers and in the heavenly realms. Jesus told the Pharisees that their thinking about the kingdom was mistaken. Jesus’ first coming was to preach “the gospel of the kingdom of God” (Mark 1:14-15) and pay the penalty for mankind’s sins. Later, He would “appear a second time …...

[QUOT You and your sons will be here with me So, you plan to live forever and never pass over...ok, then?

Which is pretty much what I said. It's not a one time thing, as some teach.

Semantics. Call it what you will. Still the same thing.

Funny how no one ever becomes instantly holy when they are saved, but they grow in the faith over time. Yes I was exposed to second blessing holiness teachings growing up. You know what? Those sanctified people were still not perfect.

So you only need to believe He rose again? You don't have to also believe what He said about provision? You only have to believe what He said about living forever. You don't have to believe anything else He said? Do you realize that is completely different than how He dealt with Israel in the...

You know if you comment without replying, I'm usually not going to see it, because I just check my alerts? Yes, we are raised with Christ in the here and now, is this your whole point? Eternal life starts at salvation. But, it doesn't become complete in this life. 1Behold what manner of love...

Perhaps you could try actually answering a question sometime. I've never even been to Luby, BTW, whatever a Luby is.

Sure. What ever one you want.

So what does buried and raised mean to you? We are raised and seated in heaven positionally, then eventually literally.

Define normal. Define special.

Talking to you is like talking to a third grader with attention deficit disorder. When I said I don't get it, it's because you have made no coherent argument for anything. I've been to baptisms. What is said is: " I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit."

Paul has already warned them earlier in Colossians 1 that they must continue in the hope of the Gospel. It would be like me giving a speech and saying: " If you choose not to desert, here are all the things I promise to you after the battle." Nobody is going to think that they're going to get...

I don't see what baptism has to do with it. We celebrate our inheritance, which you seem to think we won't get. Still not sure what you are trying to say.

No, but I'm human. I have plenty of conflicting desires. Can someone come to a place where they could not fall away? Maybe, but I'm not that holy.

No contradict, but clarify. And there's a bunch of them. "Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the...