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Should we constantly be searching for salvation? Aren't we told that once we believe we have assurance? Not sure what you are getting at.

As opposed to what? Is assurance of heaven not part of salvation?

How can we if, as you say, we don't know what salvation is?

Please enlighten us.

Because that's the obvious interpretation. turning somebody back to God isn't going to stop them from physically dying. We all do that. I used to be a pretty good dancer. Maybe I still am if I don't throw my back out.. lol. No worries, I just can't read it anyway but the way it sounds. If a...

The church is merely the body of believers, not any particular denomination. Your claim is that the Catholic church is the only true one, which is false.

Umm... You just said there's no Roman Catholic church and then you tell me there is, in the same post. From catholic.com: "within the Catholic Church there are a number of individual churches, sometimes called rites. One of these is the Roman rite or Roman church. It includes most of the...

Right there in the verse. "If a man abide not in me, assumes a man can indeed abide in him. “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown...

Which means what? That the Catholic church is necessary for salvation. I did not say they had to be members of the church to be saved. You said: "all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:" This is speaking of the Catholic church, so it's saying all...

Same exact thing.

So you only have to believe He rose? You don't have to believe and do the smaller things, like believing and trusting what He said about an earthly thing like provision? Or.. to make it more personal: if I didn't believe at a soul level that Jesus did die and rise for me, why am I worrying...

So you only have to believe He rose? You don't have to believe and do the smaller things, like believing and trusting what He said about an earthly thing like provision? Over and over in scripture verifies that salvation is gained by believing. Believing what? For we believe that Jesus died...

Li Like I said, constantly insulting, but no substance to your argument.

We aren't connecting here somehow. The worry IS disbelief of what He said. Is it disbelief that he is the risen Messiah? That's what I'm talking about.

I have thought about it, extensively. And I don't try to embrace the contradiction. Not anymore. I understand those verses differently than you, but that's another discussion

But that's not what it says. You can't abide if you aren't already in him. You can't be cast out if you were never saved. It clearly states the branch can choose to remain or not.

All beautiful promises, for believers. Not for former believers.

No, it claims Christ's disciples had his authority, not any church. He didn't give that authority to the pope.

You are way too insulting to bother with. If you grow up and want a civil discussion, I'm game.

Lol, that's exactly what it says.