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Your ability to post multiple excerpts from different post #'s in the same reply is very handy. How do you do it?

You seem convinced that the dead are conscious, so I'll accept that, although I think your "under the sun" reasoning is a bit of a stretch. The text also says that their emotions are "perished", but I would venture to guess that you'd say, "Yes, perished down here, but not up there." However...

What Scripture indicates that when God gathers His Spirit from us at our death that we continue to be "aware" of anything? (Psalm 146:3-4 KJV; Ecclesiastes 9:5 KJV) If we take Philippians 1:23 and 2 Corinthians 5:9 as they are written, is there any demand in either of these passages that the...

Hi, Trek, I like your name! Soul = Body + Spirit (Genesis 2:7 KJV). If God separates this union by gathering His Spirit from the Body, does the Soul continue to exist? Lever = Beam + Fulcrum. If I toss the Beam in my truck and you toss the Fulcrum in your truck and we drive away, does the...

My dear Christian friend, thank you for the privilege of allowing me to discuss this with you and please don't think me offensive when I say though your ideas are certainly logical and profound, let's stick with Scripture and see where it leads us: 1) We must remember, as I stated earlier, that...

I say this as kindly as I can when I say that the "body shell" belief comes from Greek occultism and not Scripture, that there is no such thing as a "spirit/soul", and souls do die. Here are the verses: 1) At creation, man did not take possession of a Soul, but rather he became a Soul. Body...

We all fully understand and accept that a thing cannot "return" to a place from which the thing has never departed. At our death, the Spirit "returns" to God from Who the Spirit had previously departed, but since our will, mind, and emotions only began to exist down here and have never departed...

Hi, ATP, the "ghost" of Annias and Sapphira is just another way of saying "spirit" (ie. Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit), so the passage says that it returned to God and left the bodies of Annanias and Sapphara dead, both no longer "living souls" but "dead souls", or no longer existing souls. That's why...

Hi, ATP, If I may, I'd like an opportunity to respond to these two points: (1) "...the "soul" (Greek psyche [ψύχη], Hebrew nephesh [נפש]) is the word the Bible uses to describe the inner person as a combination of the both the material and immaterial parts of the human being (namely, the...

The punishment you speak of is what the wicked experience while living their Second Life to which Jesus resurrected them. Once they die the Second Death, it won't be possible for them to experience anything because they won't exist.

"Judging" is the declaration of the contents of another's heart, which none but God can do. "Rebuke, Reproof, and Exhortation" is declaration of another's unChristlike behavior, which all who love their neighbor will do for him (Leviticus 19:17 KJV; 2 Timothy 4:2)

I've found that proponents of Eternal Torment have totally missed all that the concept of "Second Death" demands: "Second Death" demands that a "Second Life" precedes it. "Second Life" demands that a "First Death" precedes it (except those alive at the coming of Jesus). "First Death" demands...

If the penalty for sin is death and death = eternal torment, then the only possible way that penalty can ever be paid is if somebody - either Jesus or the sinner - spends eternity in that place of torment bearing in himself the penalty of sin. Any idea, no matter how scholarly it may be, which...

BTW, that's a great point regarding the very limited region they now occupy as opposed to the boundaries that God originally established. If tearing down the Dome of the Rock in order to rebuild a Jewish temple wouldn't start WWIII, a conquest to regain the rest of the territory most certainly...

Historicism has been unfairly knocked off the table due to popular Jesuit Futurist ideas which need to be examined critically instead of parroted by well-meaning, sincere Protestant Christians.

LTW, the method by which we reach those who doubt or reject truth is by first prayerfully appealing to the intellect, then to the emotions, and finally through them both, to the heart. Here's how I would appeal to their intellect: 1) The sun hardens clay but melts butter through no fault of...

During the Protestant Reformation of the 16th - 18th centuries, Protestant Reformers accused the Papal system in Rome of being the fulfillment of the predicted Antichrist of prophecy based on their interpretation of the Scriptures in light of the events of history. Known as "Historicism", this...

Brother, there is a world of difference between the act of "judging" another with the Biblical mandate that God has given you, me, and everyone else to "reprove, rebuke, and exhort" another (2 Timothy 4:2 KJV), especially a believer where failure to do so is considered in the eyes of God as...

. Brother, I've been believing all this and more for years. To me, the most powerful evidence against eternal torment is the logic that if the wages of sin is eternal torment, then the only way for Jesus to take our place and pay that penalty for sin that we owe instead of us is that He be...

I'm Phoneman777 and I want to say that I look forward to sharing Jesus and "sharpening iron" with you all. Praise God from Whom all blessings flow! Praise Him all creatures here below! Praise Him above, ye heav' nly host! Praise Father, Son and Holy Ghost! Amen.