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How then does your theory of atonement deal with the justice of the Lord? How does God show mercy when His nature requires that He bring about absolute justice?

It seems to me that there are two irreconcilable attributes in the heart of God: 1) Justice; which requires that the exact punishment be meted out for crimes committed; and, 2) Mercy; which desires that less than what is deserved be meted out as punishment. Justice and mercy meet at the...

How are we to do that if you do not give the references? I believe that it is in fact in holy scripture if you understand the word propitiation. Also, is it not clearly proclaimed in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4?

And I don't disagree with that per se. It is only those who have the fear of the LORD in their hearts who are eternally secure (Jeremiah 32:38-40 (kjv); Psalms 19:9). Jer 32:38, And they shall be my people, and I will be their God: Jer 32:39, And I will give them one heart, and one way, that...

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The Word (God) became flesh and dwelt among us. So God took on the form of a servant in becoming a Man.

Romans 7:5 and Romans 7:8 speak profoundly on these issues. Rom 7:5, For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. Rom 7:8, But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of...

What is this biblical view of the Cross that PSA undermines in your opinion? Please give scripture to support your view.

Of course, we must remember that salvation is by grace through faith. So if a man forsakes faith in Jesus, how is he then still saved? See, there is a nominal, lukewarm, or shallow faith, spoken of in Luke 8:13, where the person falls away after having genuine faith. Then there is a solid and...

Yes, it could be said that to do so would be to have a legalistic over-reaction...

You didn't answer my questions. To @Kermos.

Maybe you could explain a little bit better to us what it is that you think is so wicked about it.

I am waiting for the definition of PSA in the other thread. I think that we should not derail this thread but pick up the discussion over there. How does the Theory of Penal Substitution Atonement necessitate the Cross?

As long as we don't make an idol out of our wealth, I don't see anything wrong with having it (see 1 Timothy 6:17). However, the Lord Jesus gives us the following warning: Mat 6:19, Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break...

I think that it would be expedient here to define Penal Substitutionary Theory; because some here (including myself) may not have an accurate view of what it represents.

I disagree with you, @Doug. I believe that the olive tree is the church and spiritual Israel; And that when the fulness of the Gentiles comes in, Israel will be graffed back into its own olive tree. Thus all of the promises to Israel in the OT will be fulfilled in the lives of those who are...

He did, in fact, suffer the exact and precise substitution. It is as if all of us are allergic to bee stings but He is not allergic; so He went and took the stings of all of the bees that were putting us in mortal danger. Yes, it is through Christ's merits that are applied to us by faith...

See Acts of the Apostles 17:29. Indeed...and this is in fact defined by Romans 8:12-13.

And as I said, the word of the Lord is timeless.

Adam already had life when he was faced with the decision of whether or not to eat the fruit. In partaking, he brought upon himself spiritual death. So then, in obeying the Lord's command, Adam would not have obtained life; while he would have in fact retained the life that was already given...