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Jesus called the Pharisees sons of the devil and hypocrites...and according to your statement, He was not justified in this and therefore, He sinned...if indeed such statements are classified as abuse... (If they are not, then I am not abusing you in the statement that I make in the present...

Let's keep fighting back and forth like little children...ignoring Paul's exhortation in Galatians 5:15...biting and devouring one another with quip after quip. What you can't handle is that I have exposed you recently as a false teacher...because you continue to fail the test of 1 John 4:1-3...

Probably the reason I hadn't heard of it.

My bad, I realize you said, Edenic covenant, not Evic covenant. For some reason I thought you were speaking of a covenant between God and Eve...and it sounded extrabiblical to me.

I see conditional security in heaven, with something like the tree of knowledge of good and evil being present in that environment. The for ever fear of the Lord, and the indwelling of the Holy Ghost, keeping those who have learned their lessons well from ever eating of the tree.

see post #398 (Once Saved Always Saved Garbage Teaching!!)

We can't stop doing this if our faith is genuine, Romans 10:10 faith. Because we are sealed by the Holy Spirit.

yes, Adam took responsibility for Eve's transgression. He was still innocent and pure when he partook of the fruit, and was not deceived. Would Adam have eaten of the fruit if Eve hadn't been deceived? I'm pretty certain that Adam saw that unless he would become as she was, she was doomed to...

Actually I do claim to have the only truth. His name is Jesus. John 14:6.

I do not claim to have the only truth. But I do know that I have studied to shew myself approved for over 28 years. So if I am wrong on anything, well, I'm not sure what the reason for that might be.

Of course, your gospel is the only truth! How else would you be able to determine that what I am preaching is false (which it is not)? If you do not claim that your gospel is the only truth, then what is your plumbline for determining that my gospel is not the truth? So then, shortsighted and...

It is not a silly thing...I am trying to make a point. And if you continue down my line of thinking, understanding that eternal life begins at the moment of faith (John 5:24), you will see that what I am saying is not a silly thing at all.

There is an answer; but people continue to have hardened hearts against the real truth of the matter; and therefore we do not all come to a uniform consensus on the issue.

1Ti 2:13, For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 1Ti 2:14, And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Adam ate the fruit because he loved his wife: he basically died for her spiritually. But Eve died spiritually because she was deceived by satan.

Then it wasn't for ever. It was only temporary. But I agree that the person who abides for ever, will continue to do the will of the Lord for ever. When a man receives the Holy Spirit he receives faith. Faith continues to be a fruit of the Holy Spirit. So then, being sealed with the Holy...

If our eternity is not secure, then we may go for 10,000 years in heaven and then find ourselves in the lake of fire because we messed up somehow. This does not make for a very good prospect for anyone. Eventually, everyone might fall; and no one would be in heaven.

More finger-pointing, with three fingers pointing back at you. See what I mean?

While I probably could show you examples in the word of people who were redeemed by the blood of the Lamb in the Old Testament but nevertheless did not live perfect lives (e.g. King David), I prefer not to do that because it is my intention to preach holiness more than extravagant grace (which...

Of course. It is the battle of the sexes, is it not?

Actually, the ultimate blame for the fall goes to satan, then to Eve, and then to Adam.