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What's the difference? If faith is the instrument by which we are saved, then we cannot be saved without it. How then is it that some say that salvation can come before faith?

It seems to me that 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:11 teaches a pre-tribulation rapture. At the very least, the church designated Philadelphia will escape that hour of trial, Revelation 3:10, if they keep the word of His patience.

Amen sister. With age comes wisdom.

I find that Calvinists will often teach something until it is refuted; and then they switch over and say that that is not what they really believe. When the heat is off, they will go back to teaching the other thing.

Faith comes first, since we have gained access by faith into this grace wherein we stand.

Why don't you ask @Dave L whether he believes that grace or faith come first in our salvation? He is very much Calvinistic. If you are going to say that you are not in agreement with him, then you have a problem with unity in doctrine.

I am currently working on a commentary on the entire book of Romans, and I don't want to be redundant. As soon as I have finished with verse 11, I will let you know. I am currently almost there, as I just finished with verse 8 yesterday (in chapter 5).

If you are born again of the Holy Ghost, He that is in you is greater than he that is in the world. Of course, there are those who think that they are born again but really are not. Many Christians are merely nominal. Such Christians are indeed subject to possession. If anyone has been...

I've been married to my wife for approximately twelve years. The first few years were quite rocky: the day we got married she threw an electrical appliance out the window of our car, and we had an encounter with the police. Things have gotten way better since then. For the first five years or...

I am (very much so) religiously preoccuppied all of the time, so any chatting that I do will probably be along the lines of Bible doctrine (my apologies to those who feel that chatting should be along more trivial lines; I know that the fact that it is Bible means it could turn into heated...

Yes, but I take everything he says with a grain of salt. There is a place for teachers in the body of Christ; but we are to rely on the unction and anointing of the Holy Ghost when making our conclusions about what is being taught: 1Jo 2:20, But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye...

They teach that grace comes before faith, which would bring someone to that conclusion by implication. If you want to insist on it I might be able to dredge them up...but I would rather not have to go to the trouble of doing so. I feel that I did respond, and that because you did not have an...

There are born again Christians (to which 1 John 4:4 applies; and who cannot be demon-possessed; being filled with the Holy Ghost); and there are Christians who are believers in name only, who don't have the Holy Ghost. Jesus said that those who don't gather with Him scatter. If He is dwelling...

My response (be sure to click and read the whole thing):

The implication is that I'm worse than an unbeliever for that I am on SS/disability.

That shows a degree of maturity. My questioning your salvation was in fact a test of whether you were saved or not. If you had taken offence, that would have been a sign that you were not saved. And I think that I told @Preacher4Truth that it was satan who was behind his accusatory...

And neither are you their judge. Hebrews 12:6 is in the New Testament. I certainly don't mind if the Lord executes vengeance on them while they are on the earth.

God will especially punish them if they are saved: Amo 3:2, You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.

I'm not suing them, for Christ's sake; and therefore the definitions do not have their basis in legality based on human standards. God knows what they did to me; and He will repay them for it. Rom 12:19, Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is...

I think that what I will do, whether I stay or leave, is to pray that the Lord will receive them as sons according to Hebrews 12:6. Heb 12:6, For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. So it isn't Mommy that I am crying to but I am crying to Papa, Abba...