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Wow. We ALL BELIEVE he comes after the trib. That is not even part of the debate. You remind me of those trump haters. When asked "why", they just look at you. All they "know" is they hate him...they have no idea why. All you "know" is you hate pretrib rapture. Then when you are SHOWN a...

"Just me" has a watchtower minion and David NJ . As fans. As cheerleaders. Uh huh.

"Just me" quote from another thread: ""Now for someone to suggest from verse 24, and/or verse 28, to conclude that Yeshua was divine or the same as his Father, YHWH, they need to really hide their heads in shame. They dishonor both the Son and the Father, who is YHWH"" Exactly what watchtower...

....and yet we see Mt zion in heaven and on earth. Ahem.....according to the bible What you are displaying is contrary to clear scripture. You think you can allegorize it away.

Neither I nor God know what you are talking about. Look up most any commentary. There is a mt zion in heaven and one on earth. I suppose you think the temple and Ark in heaven do not actually exist either.

No We apply and welcome every analogy in the bible. The error is creating a new meaning outside the bible, or claiming things about Mt Sion that flat out are bogus. Since you stumble at that...it is goofy what you apply and reject.

The saints refusing the mark are beheaded. It says in Rev "every man Woman and child receive it, not in the book" Postribbers imagine the trib will be some medium size trial that they "endure" by running from cave to cave. Not at all biblical. Most postribbers stumble at GODS PURPOSE for the...

Nope It says in Daniel ,"in the middle of the week, he descicrates the temple". 7 yr covenant is made on his arrival. The bow in his hand represents covenant.

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I have done your homework over and over. You just revealed you are not aware of the compoments and concepts pretrib vs postrib rapture debate. For example , all of you struggle and create alternate dynamics in Rev 14. ....and none of you so far know who the 144,000 Jews are. You know why...

Are you aware of what separates the cults from the doctrine of the bible?

Post one of the pretrib rapture verses that you disagree with. Slinging generalities and accusations is hiding behind your presumptions and anti biblical theories.

Watchtower and other cults deny the testimony of Jesus. EVERY ONE OF THEM, struggle, as you do, over God's word.

A watchtower adherent agrees with you. Seems fitting indeed

Under your goofy, strick, "spiritual blender," "hagar" is an illusion as is Mt Sion. Not real dynamics but rewritten tools for your false doctrine, to be used as made up props. All cults claim SPIRITUAL SUPERIORITY. If you have to so goofily exault yourself into some super spirit, then go...

Fred J said: ""Ha, ha, ha, 'Mt Zion is in Heaven' again?? Probably there are """ Maybe your "teachers" will lead you to believe the truth, that much of earth is a mirror of heaven. Probably not since they taught you wrong about Mt Sion Psssst....the ark, the temple, animals, mountains...

Basic kindergarten bible study, we learned 29 years ago there is a mount zion in heaven, and one on earth. I see this all the time, some scoffer acting like he has some knowledge, then demonstrating his celebrated ignorance, and makes his erroneous teachers look bad, because he sits under them...

Are you saying the Jews are not grafted back in? ( Romans 9-11) I agree the 144,000 are not the church, and can not possibly be the church. It says they Follow the lamb wherever he goes, so that tells us they are messianic, jews and not, Orthodox israelite jews.(unsaved). It specifically says...

A gag order would be far worse.

QUOTE "....and cause a mockery". Says the man that does not understand Mt Zion is in heaven. In fact most of the bible I place on the table, your doctrine of omission stumbles over, when seen for the first time.