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I respectfull I respectfully disagree. First, there is no scriptural connection between the GT and the time of Jacob's trouble. Second, I believe the time of Jacob's trouble began in 70ad and is still on going. Third, the GT, imo, is Satan's wrath upon the church per Rev. 12:17 and will end...

Seeing as John is in heaven receiving the vision and the throne as described in 7:11 is in heaven, it's not a stretch to see that the great multitude has arrived in heaven. I believe we'll travel back and forth to heaven as He desires until heaven via the NJ comes to this planet.

I'm glad you've got this all figured out in your mind anyways.

Paul's timing of, after the man of sin is revealed, is what I believe as well. As far as we know Paul had absolutely no knowledge of the 7 trumpets. I hate to burst your bible but the 7th trump is simply that, no more, no less, it is not the last trump Paul is speaking of. I believe that...

The timing of Rev. 13 has nothing to do w/ a first half and a second half, that is man's opinion. Yes, it makes a nice mathematical picture but the bible never speaks of it that way. The great trib will end well before the "second" half begins. Only a pre-trib rapture provides the escape, all...

Really Jay! I take it you didn't read the OP. If you had, you would've seen that I wrote the exact opposite of what you think I would have said!

Sorry Keraz but, imo the GT has zero to do w/ the last part of the 70th week and those in safety will only be the 144,000+, the church will have been raptured before the wrath begins.

One of the differences is that the 6th trumpet specifies that 1/3 of mankind will be killed, the 4th seal does not say 1/4 of humanity. In this case semantics does make a difference. This is not the final harvest and it's not part of God's wrath. The riders can be considered the last of...

THE GREAT TRIBULATION This study will be from perspective of 1 Pet. 4:12-18. The words in parenthesis are the definitions from the Strong’s regarding the previous word(s). 12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial (a calamitous testing of trustworthiness) which is to try...

Interesting but imo errant math and your quote is misleading because the scripture doesn't read that way. "power was given them over a fourth part of the earth (sounds geographical to me) to kill with sword and hunger and w/ death(?), and w/ the wild beasts of the earth." Your words - "not some...

Hi Tim, I can't say that I agree that covid is any part of the seals. The 1st seal is the a/c conquering by deception (this may have begun). I think the 2nd seal might be ww3 and the 3rd seal, the famines and economic collapses because of that war, the 4th seal, more warfare affecting a...

First, there no such thing as a "tribulation" period. That is a misleading name given to Daniel's 70th week by pre-tribbers. There is no verse in scripture that calls any measurable period of time within that context, tribulation. As for what that short period of time we call the GT will look...

I'm not Post-trib, I'm pre-wrath but when one understands what the GT really is, they are the same but your typical post-tribbers haven't realized it yet.

I'm not pre-trib so I expect that the whole church will be here for the great trib. I believe prophecy. If prophecy says the"king comes on the foal of an ass," I'm not going to say, No, No, God, he came when he started his ministry. The purpose of the gap is the salvation of billions of gentiles...

Nothing in this contradicts what I said. It seems to verify it, thanks.

The problem w/ this is that Jesus didn't come prophetically until he fulfilled Zech. 9:9 and that was about 6 days, I think before the crucifixion. So he fulfilled both of your objections in the same week. There is nothing else in scripture that suggests the timing should be counted from the...

I think if you read Dan. 8:23-25 again, you will see that it cannot be speaking of Christ.

"the prince that shall come…" (Dan. 9:26) Dan. 9: 26-27 - “And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: (end of Messiah topic and beginning of new topic, the anti-christ) and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary...

That's funny, when it's the bible that declares each of these things as being included in "the day of the Lord".

Actually, I know more than you might think. Why do folks when, having something they believe in questioned, all of a sudden jump to the conclusion that other folks have to be spiritual idiots to have the audacity to challenge them. Well, here are some more unlearned thoughts. Zech. 14 is also...