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QUOTE "No sir. IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS and before the wrath of God. Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall...

Romans 11. The 2 harvests described. The messianic Jews are born again like any ethnic group. Rev 14 is ethnic Jews first fruits, the 144k which emphatically points to a ethnic Jew main harvest THROUGH JESUS SITTING ON A CLOUD. The Jewish Messiah they have waited for for thousands of years. So...

He is revealed at the white horse. He carries a bow signifying covenant. The 144k are persecuted badly enough they're ushered to safety. Daniel says at the middle of the week the temple is desecrated. 3.5 yrs of the ac reign BEFORE the temple desecration. He arrives with a bow and crown. A...

..then you missed the boat. Trying to fit the trib into history is a huge grand canyon leap.

Nope, Jacobs trouble is 7 years and it is Israel's trouble, not the church. The tribulation Kicks off with the white horse rider. He has a Crown and a bow and he kills Christians. That is why he is the Antichrist. He masquerades as a false Christ, right from the start of the tribulation. which...

So problematic. No white horse rider. No mark. No beheading for refusing it. No flying scorpions. No hailstones of fire. No 144k sealed. DOA. Huge grand canyon leap.

QUOTE "False. Souls under the altar are ALL of the Saints who have died before God's judgment of Babylon the Great." The soul's under the altar cannot be the soul's from the tribulation. because they are told to remain under the altar until they're number is fulfilled. Later on, we see the...

Nope. The Jewish gathering is Rev 14. DURING THE TRIB AND BEFORE THE WRATH. Re read Rev 14

If you read the feasts set by God to Moses in leviticus 23 you will see the number 7 over and over. You= "it means absolutely nothing"

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QUOTE " no it does not say that" Here it is. Rev 13 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. Read it carefully.

I posted Gen 7 for you to reread. It has problems for you.

7 yr trib as is stated in Daniel IN THAT 7 YRS. WE HAVE TRIB AND WRATH. So call it the non 7 yr period

QUOTE "As I said, Noah is not in the ark 7 days before the flood. Also there is not a 7 day period where Noah Loads the animals. You need to study Genesis 7 which says the first day of the 7 Noah loads the animals" No study necessary. I already stated the 7 day period before the flood does...

QUOTE "The saints will overcome Satan, Revelation 12:11" Rev 12 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death Re read it...THEY ALL DIE. THEY , THE DEAD MARTYRS, ARE SEEN IN HEAVEN AS THE INNUMERABLE...

QUOTE "Them who refuse to worship the image of the beast will face execution. Revelation 13:15" Yep. Thanks for agreeing that there are no saints "going through" the trib.

QUOTE "No, it will be required to take the mark, the number of his name, his name to buy or sell. Not that everyone will do it." Bingo. The saints refuse and are martyred. No way to wiggle out of it. Bible fact. There are no saints that "go through" the trib.

QUOTE "It correlates to the FACT that Noah is not in the ark 7 days before the flood and the Church will not be in heaven before the final week begins." Way off. You know how we KNOW you are wrong ? Jesus words. " before the flood there is Normal life and everyday life and buying and...

Billions of believers killed at the start of the 7yr blah blah. ( trib is forbidden, as well as gt,and wrath) It is now the 7 yr blah blah. The white horseman ,the AC , immediately incorporates the mark. Billions of believers die. Unprecedented. Never has happened before. But please don't use...

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